The Ottawa Initiative put on pause by the Haitian population is not going to die so soon. Canadian former secretary of state Denis Paradis's obsession was the growing population of Haiti in spite of the AIDS virus. According to Mr. Paradis’s calculation there will be 20 million Haitians by 2019. This “is a time bomb” Mr. Paradis said, “which must be defused immediately…” (Haiti Progres - Michel Vastel report) That policy has already claimed 14,000 lives in less than two years. This is the terror policy Haiti is living today under James Foley claws. The massacre led by U.S. and Canadian soldiers since February 29, 2004 was the beginning. The taking over by U.N. Latin soldiers can’t hide the Nazi flair of that terror initiative.
While Haitians were about to celebrate 200 years of liberation from slavery, plantation masters started their “Kill the Haitians” campaign. French officials went to Ha
iti announcing with pride the political storms Haitians were about to live and left the country securely without Haitian authorities' objection. It was an international slogan in major video games for kids and movies. Black actor Will Smith for instance brought his PR contribution for that Nazi initiative. The 2006 presidential election was a decisive step in that terror plot put to halt by Haitians. As Mr. Foley takes the Nazi initiative personal, one must ask how deeply Washington is ready to dive with him in that blood bath? The elected president Rene Preval said it several times that it’s not a one man job to return the country to the state it was before the U.S., France, and Canada destabilization storms. Haitians and true friends of Haiti should keep these major terrorist actors in check so they don’t misinterpret Preval’s invitation for a push off.
It is a matter of time for the general that leads the UN force in Haiti to accept Mr. Boulos's offer. Haitians must take Mr. Boulos's wor
ds seriously. When he aired that he had set aside enough money for casualties after the blood bath, he was pushed by his "testicles in the ass" frustration (his political party’s slogan) or lack of action from hired mercenaries. These threats are too many to be ignored. Since Haitians are aware of what the International community is up to, they need to request from the new elected officials to cancel any immunity granted to UN, local and foreign mercenaries that are busy killing Haitians. The Ottawa Initiative is clear: not to let Haitian’s population be 20 million in 2019.
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by Bouli* » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:07 pm
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:30 pm
Bouli, although the Messengers are bad. But, it is a scary prediction! An overpopulation of Haiti will not be good.
This is a small island. Even 10 million is too many! I understand your concerns for where this came from. Again, we can not afford this. We need to think about it and take some preventive measures???
Sometimes, truth can also come from the enemies! The only difference is their approaches.
Do you see the overpopulation of P-au-P?
A country of that size with over 8 million people?
This is another alerting issue, Overpopulation!
leonel
This is a small island. Even 10 million is too many! I understand your concerns for where this came from. Again, we can not afford this. We need to think about it and take some preventive measures???
Sometimes, truth can also come from the enemies! The only difference is their approaches.
Do you see the overpopulation of P-au-P?
A country of that size with over 8 million people?
This is another alerting issue, Overpopulation!
leonel
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by jafrikayiti* » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:51 am
Leonel,
Do you realize that of all the regions of the world, EUROPE is the sub-continent (part of Eurasia) that is really OVERpopulated?
Haiti's problem is similar to that of the planet. It is not too many human beings to feed but unfair distribution of wealth. Food is being dumped into the ocean, in order to kep prices high up.
Do you realize what these people are really saying?
Perhaps we should take a look at the figures....Look at square kilometres available by territory and the number of people living there and quickly you will understand what's really being said.
Jafrikayiti
Zanmi sa yo se pwazon !
Do you realize that of all the regions of the world, EUROPE is the sub-continent (part of Eurasia) that is really OVERpopulated?
Haiti's problem is similar to that of the planet. It is not too many human beings to feed but unfair distribution of wealth. Food is being dumped into the ocean, in order to kep prices high up.
Do you realize what these people are really saying?
Perhaps we should take a look at the figures....Look at square kilometres available by territory and the number of people living there and quickly you will understand what's really being said.
Jafrikayiti
Zanmi sa yo se pwazon !
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:23 am
Jaf, seriously, I am not that concerned about Europe or anywhere else. This is a projection that raises some concerns.
We have a very dense Population which can reach 20 million... That is very scary.-
I guess that I didn't realize what they are talking about???
Wasn't it about overpopulation on an Island of over twenty thousand kilometer squares. Our neighbor who is about twice our size, their population is probably lower.
There is no conspiracy. It is a FACT! How do we deal with this problem can differ. But, truth is the truth. It doesn't matter who is saying it.
The population of Haiti is around ten millions. Port-au-Prince is about??? Our importation is much higher than the Export. Which means our GNP is in the negative all the time. We consume goods from other countries. Poverty is multiplying while Birth rate is following. Now, if that prediction for 2019 is correct or in that vicinity, we have a Majo
r issue.
Now, for not facing these problems, is really playing Ostrich and very deceitful.
Zanmi sa yo se reyElman pwazon...
leonel
We have a very dense Population which can reach 20 million... That is very scary.-
I guess that I didn't realize what they are talking about???
Wasn't it about overpopulation on an Island of over twenty thousand kilometer squares. Our neighbor who is about twice our size, their population is probably lower.
There is no conspiracy. It is a FACT! How do we deal with this problem can differ. But, truth is the truth. It doesn't matter who is saying it.
The population of Haiti is around ten millions. Port-au-Prince is about??? Our importation is much higher than the Export. Which means our GNP is in the negative all the time. We consume goods from other countries. Poverty is multiplying while Birth rate is following. Now, if that prediction for 2019 is correct or in that vicinity, we have a Majo
r issue.
Now, for not facing these problems, is really playing Ostrich and very deceitful.
Zanmi sa yo se reyElman pwazon...
leonel
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by jafrikayiti* » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:51 pm
http://www.geohive.com/global/geo.php?x ... l=c_area50
Compare #12. with #48.
Two countries of 60 million souls. One, France, with 547,030 square kilometres and one, the Dem. Rep. of Congo, with 2,345,410 square kilometres.
Haiti, is not on he list of large territories. Our side of the island is only 27, 500 square kilimetres and we are 8 millions souls on that side of the island. Our brothers in the D.R. have similar size population with larger territory.
But, the problem is not how many people. Becaus you can compare with any number of countries on other continents you will see that "overpopulation" is not really the problem, it is the lack of adequate distribution of resources. For instance, within Haiti, a city built for 250,000 people is forced to house over 2.5 million. And, worst, the tiny minority within the city that controls the resources, leave almost nothing for the millions l
iving and breathing in that same small area.
So, I am not saying that better management of our population growth is futile. On the contrary, I am putting it in context. That is to recognize that, it is not the EXISTENCE of millions of human beigns that cause problem, but the way we, as a collective, organize their conditions of existence. If we organize the resources accordingly, the 10 million of Haitians can be more than 10 million mouths consuming food. But, instead 10 millions human brains, 20 million human arms, 20 million human legs.......contributing to the welfare of humanity.
It all depends on our attitude.
If you look at maps of world population, observe the projected decline in Europe's population, you can understand why they are panicking and pushing this "overpopulation" dogma. But, that's not where the real problem lies. Egocentrism is the problem....not overpopulation.
Jaf
Compare #12. with #48.
Two countries of 60 million souls. One, France, with 547,030 square kilometres and one, the Dem. Rep. of Congo, with 2,345,410 square kilometres.
Haiti, is not on he list of large territories. Our side of the island is only 27, 500 square kilimetres and we are 8 millions souls on that side of the island. Our brothers in the D.R. have similar size population with larger territory.
But, the problem is not how many people. Becaus you can compare with any number of countries on other continents you will see that "overpopulation" is not really the problem, it is the lack of adequate distribution of resources. For instance, within Haiti, a city built for 250,000 people is forced to house over 2.5 million. And, worst, the tiny minority within the city that controls the resources, leave almost nothing for the millions l
iving and breathing in that same small area.
So, I am not saying that better management of our population growth is futile. On the contrary, I am putting it in context. That is to recognize that, it is not the EXISTENCE of millions of human beigns that cause problem, but the way we, as a collective, organize their conditions of existence. If we organize the resources accordingly, the 10 million of Haitians can be more than 10 million mouths consuming food. But, instead 10 millions human brains, 20 million human arms, 20 million human legs.......contributing to the welfare of humanity.
It all depends on our attitude.
If you look at maps of world population, observe the projected decline in Europe's population, you can understand why they are panicking and pushing this "overpopulation" dogma. But, that's not where the real problem lies. Egocentrism is the problem....not overpopulation.
Jaf
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:16 pm
Jaf, I agree with a lot of what you said. But, again, if it is true that our population will reach 20 mil. We need to be alerted.
I know there is great concern from the Europeans being uderpopulated. But, they have the resources and wealth. Ourselves, we would need to control our population. I don't have the right medicine. But, I am sure some prevention would work. Education can be also positive.
If someone does not have a job. I can't tell Him or Her not to have Sex. But, giving birth to 5+ kids would make it worst.
I have a lot of examples of Men being so proud to tell about their 20+ kids whom they do not contribute at all. For a Country like Ours, it is outrageous! Again, Education can help a lot.
Let's take Site SolEy for instance. what is the population in such tiny area?
This is just on example. There are more.
Anyway, I am hopeful that things will change. But, we need to react now. Later w
ill be too late!
L'union fait la force,
leonel
I know there is great concern from the Europeans being uderpopulated. But, they have the resources and wealth. Ourselves, we would need to control our population. I don't have the right medicine. But, I am sure some prevention would work. Education can be also positive.
If someone does not have a job. I can't tell Him or Her not to have Sex. But, giving birth to 5+ kids would make it worst.
I have a lot of examples of Men being so proud to tell about their 20+ kids whom they do not contribute at all. For a Country like Ours, it is outrageous! Again, Education can help a lot.
Let's take Site SolEy for instance. what is the population in such tiny area?
This is just on example. There are more.
Anyway, I am hopeful that things will change. But, we need to react now. Later w
ill be too late!
L'union fait la force,
leonel
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by Bouli* » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:14 am
Lionel
I would rather say the prediction is bad and the messengers are scary. Haitians must take some concrete actions to stop the nazi plan before we witness another human catastrophe in the coming months. Haiti’s population was 5 million forty years ago, it just went over 8 million recently. Because some thugs throw a number in the air we should be panicked. At a time when foreign mercenaries talk is let’s get rid of 4% of the population; the silly current prime minister seems a little more concerned than you, he suggested 25,000 reduction from P.a.P. should be enough. 10,000-14,000 Haitians have been killed in the last two years, which brings the number of dead half way to M. Latortue’s goal. They sholdn't be so active in politics! Have one ever experienced walking in his house to find his mother being raped, wife raped and killed daughter raped and killed father raped…witnessed the same thing happened to his friends and neighbors? Would one say these acts were from bad people and move on with his life?
While one and many foreigners are so frightened about Haiti’s growing population, they are busy grabbing more lands from the local farmers. That should give one an idea about what solution they are seeking for Haiti. The spread of AIDS in Haiti and many African countries that used to be viewed as overpopulated seems dissatisfy their appetite. The “bomb” “must be defused immediately” (Haitians’ population). Most of my life I witnessed how Haitians farmers kids lived a productive life within their community. They worked the land bread the goats, cows, horses, pigs…that’s what still keep the majority alive today. The International Community has done everything possible to destroy these farmers. Actually their best lands are taking over foreign invaders. Major proactive land reformers have been killed Jean Dominique, Jean Marie Vincent…many more in Jean-Rabel and other locations. Haitians lost their right to sustain their food line. They are forced to leave their farms, seek refuge in closer cities. Are we going to blame the victims for the International Community’s mischief? Their only choice remain to fill in miles of sweatshop along the border.
I agree with you when you said, we can learn from our enemies. Haiti is our mother we can’t keep on watching foreigners raping her just like that for centuries. It’s time for Haitians to take some actions organized or isolated. After listening to Tim Carney’s and his terror cells panel in a peace forum last week on Haiti, I can tell you it’s no longer time for guns. Haitians must take the enemies tip, become active for good as they face an inevitable slow death.
I would rather say the prediction is bad and the messengers are scary. Haitians must take some concrete actions to stop the nazi plan before we witness another human catastrophe in the coming months. Haiti’s population was 5 million forty years ago, it just went over 8 million recently. Because some thugs throw a number in the air we should be panicked. At a time when foreign mercenaries talk is let’s get rid of 4% of the population; the silly current prime minister seems a little more concerned than you, he suggested 25,000 reduction from P.a.P. should be enough. 10,000-14,000 Haitians have been killed in the last two years, which brings the number of dead half way to M. Latortue’s goal. They sholdn't be so active in politics! Have one ever experienced walking in his house to find his mother being raped, wife raped and killed daughter raped and killed father raped…witnessed the same thing happened to his friends and neighbors? Would one say these acts were from bad people and move on with his life?
While one and many foreigners are so frightened about Haiti’s growing population, they are busy grabbing more lands from the local farmers. That should give one an idea about what solution they are seeking for Haiti. The spread of AIDS in Haiti and many African countries that used to be viewed as overpopulated seems dissatisfy their appetite. The “bomb” “must be defused immediately” (Haitians’ population). Most of my life I witnessed how Haitians farmers kids lived a productive life within their community. They worked the land bread the goats, cows, horses, pigs…that’s what still keep the majority alive today. The International Community has done everything possible to destroy these farmers. Actually their best lands are taking over foreign invaders. Major proactive land reformers have been killed Jean Dominique, Jean Marie Vincent…many more in Jean-Rabel and other locations. Haitians lost their right to sustain their food line. They are forced to leave their farms, seek refuge in closer cities. Are we going to blame the victims for the International Community’s mischief? Their only choice remain to fill in miles of sweatshop along the border.
I agree with you when you said, we can learn from our enemies. Haiti is our mother we can’t keep on watching foreigners raping her just like that for centuries. It’s time for Haitians to take some actions organized or isolated. After listening to Tim Carney’s and his terror cells panel in a peace forum last week on Haiti, I can tell you it’s no longer time for guns. Haitians must take the enemies tip, become active for good as they face an inevitable slow death.
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:54 am
Bouli, I couldn't get to Ann Pale Yesterday.
Anyway, I am going to play Devil's Advocate here.
Why do you think that they hate Us so much? Is Haiti really their concerns for its natural resources or else?
Why do they have to kill so many Haitians in Haiti??
I am lost here, guys! Isn't the problem in Haiti more economic than Racist?
We are living in a Capitalistic World where the fittest ones are the ones to survive... IT'S Economics! There will be slums (excuse my french). At the same time, there will be Mansions and Castles.
We have Political problems.- We have a Country where Bad incapable Governments are our way of Life. From X to Z, we've only known deceit. We are living in a different World where Production is more important than Human life.
To give you a little example. Haiti used to produce Sugar, Cocoa, Coffee etc etc. Guess what? With innovation and new Technology, we can not compete with the industrialized Nations. Now, our export is close to zero. Then, we have to consume goods from Foreign Countries. Because also of our incompetent governments which could not put a higher tarif on foreign goods. The Farmers could not make a profit...
Because of incompetent Governments, we could not have preventive Health Care. That results in a lot of Sexually Transmitted diseases (STD) and overpopulation. It is not a Conspiracy like some would like to advocate. Haiti has problems that we (as Haitians) are responsible for, alone. And only Us, can get Haiti out of those problems. We can blame others for our misery or misfortune. By the end of the day, Haitians have to take responsibility for this mayhem.
Starting with Me, we refuse to leave the way of life in the Racist Countries to go back and Help. We have tons of reasons why? But, we can blow the horn of our Love for Haiti. Haiti needs Us, we can make a difference, not the BLAN. Are we willing to make this Sacrifice and stop yelling RACISM for our failures?
Eske nap kab kite bwE dlo 24 sou 24, gen limyE all day all night, amize nou nan tout liks ke peyi etranje ba nou yo pou nal ede peyi nou?
Well, maybe NOT! So, we need to realize when there is problem, where it came from? Overpopulation or population density is huge in Port-au-Prince and will be worst if we don't do anything about it. Blaming Racism when it is needed.
Going back to the previous question, Why would someone use numbers to eliminate Haitians?
In terms of grabbing lands, people've been doing it in Spain, France, Morocco etc. It is investment in Real estates, my friend. We've done it in France. Does that mean, We want to take over France????
Come on, Guys,
The truth hurts, but lies are more lethal.
L'union fait la force,
leonel
Anyway, I am going to play Devil's Advocate here.
Why do you think that they hate Us so much? Is Haiti really their concerns for its natural resources or else?
Why do they have to kill so many Haitians in Haiti??
I am lost here, guys! Isn't the problem in Haiti more economic than Racist?
We are living in a Capitalistic World where the fittest ones are the ones to survive... IT'S Economics! There will be slums (excuse my french). At the same time, there will be Mansions and Castles.
We have Political problems.- We have a Country where Bad incapable Governments are our way of Life. From X to Z, we've only known deceit. We are living in a different World where Production is more important than Human life.
To give you a little example. Haiti used to produce Sugar, Cocoa, Coffee etc etc. Guess what? With innovation and new Technology, we can not compete with the industrialized Nations. Now, our export is close to zero. Then, we have to consume goods from Foreign Countries. Because also of our incompetent governments which could not put a higher tarif on foreign goods. The Farmers could not make a profit...
Because of incompetent Governments, we could not have preventive Health Care. That results in a lot of Sexually Transmitted diseases (STD) and overpopulation. It is not a Conspiracy like some would like to advocate. Haiti has problems that we (as Haitians) are responsible for, alone. And only Us, can get Haiti out of those problems. We can blame others for our misery or misfortune. By the end of the day, Haitians have to take responsibility for this mayhem.
Starting with Me, we refuse to leave the way of life in the Racist Countries to go back and Help. We have tons of reasons why? But, we can blow the horn of our Love for Haiti. Haiti needs Us, we can make a difference, not the BLAN. Are we willing to make this Sacrifice and stop yelling RACISM for our failures?
Eske nap kab kite bwE dlo 24 sou 24, gen limyE all day all night, amize nou nan tout liks ke peyi etranje ba nou yo pou nal ede peyi nou?
Well, maybe NOT! So, we need to realize when there is problem, where it came from? Overpopulation or population density is huge in Port-au-Prince and will be worst if we don't do anything about it. Blaming Racism when it is needed.
Going back to the previous question, Why would someone use numbers to eliminate Haitians?
In terms of grabbing lands, people've been doing it in Spain, France, Morocco etc. It is investment in Real estates, my friend. We've done it in France. Does that mean, We want to take over France????
Come on, Guys,
The truth hurts, but lies are more lethal.
L'union fait la force,
leonel
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by Bouli* » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:14 pm
Lionel,
I think you did a good job advocating the devil’s myths. In the mean time check your client out if you really need to know why it had developed a taste for Haitian blood. Don’t worry, you’re not lost at spaghetti junction unless you have a destination whether it’s social, race, economic, culture...like many always say: “Haiti se ou aritmetik”. However, I was clear with you pointing on the foreign groups that often being displayed as our saviors. They are protecting us from ourselves by flooding the country with machetes, machine guns, freedom fighters, UN mercenaries civilians/soldiers/police, Gendarmes, former police-macoute-SD-military integrated…still claiming that’s not enough. There’s no reason to be confused Leonel, your fittest experts have purposely misdiagnosed the patient or they simply share your mythsunderstanding.
I almost forgot your lesson the Capitalist World doesn’t take patient. What business does it have playing Bon Samaritan with the sick? The fittest can’t have it both ways. There must be a standard somewhere otherwise the system will fail running by devil or not. So, what! The devil has been creative in the mud. That too is being duplicated. Can’t you notice the lagoon in perspective from here? At this junction the world has to choose its Capitalist model: The Bush-Ben Ladin or else.
Leonel you Got me here when you said:
You killed many birds with one roc. Which country/government are you referring to? You must have an excess of faith if you believe currently Haiti has a government. You are devouring the myth too hard for adding “bad governments are our way of life". You sure know well the chefs who always crooked them for us. Human is still more important than any product except for Bush when it comes to oil. Let’s take for instance the story the young blond lost in Aruba. Maybe if it was Cosby’s daughter, Arubans wouldn’t stop the island’s activities to search for her. One must admire the Holloway’s family for trying everything they can to find their daughter. It is to show you how a family can break the cycle of your Capitalist myths. Sandy Shean is another blond who challenged your myths on Bush’s oil.
How many times Haitians have tried to take control of their destiny but a group of foreign mercenaries always find a way to reverse the situation a take over the country. Why Haiti is found itself at this crossroad again after the last elections. Timothy Carney’s cartel already set aside Haiti’s major ports for World Bank; the cartel’s lady has a job for Aristide when he comes back…
Leonel they used words and numbers to make it happen. Their prediction is catching up with the reality. How many Haitians they plan to kill is unknown. They get all they need to solve your mythsunderstanding. You think slums is a bad word, check out Paris’ slums in the 60’s on Bloncourt’s site. http://www.bloncourt.net/index-4.html
The International community will always fail in Haiti because it has to reinvent the wheel. Haitians don’t have problem sharing their 27000 km/sq. Let Haiti live.
I think you did a good job advocating the devil’s myths. In the mean time check your client out if you really need to know why it had developed a taste for Haitian blood. Don’t worry, you’re not lost at spaghetti junction unless you have a destination whether it’s social, race, economic, culture...like many always say: “Haiti se ou aritmetik”. However, I was clear with you pointing on the foreign groups that often being displayed as our saviors. They are protecting us from ourselves by flooding the country with machetes, machine guns, freedom fighters, UN mercenaries civilians/soldiers/police, Gendarmes, former police-macoute-SD-military integrated…still claiming that’s not enough. There’s no reason to be confused Leonel, your fittest experts have purposely misdiagnosed the patient or they simply share your mythsunderstanding.
I almost forgot your lesson the Capitalist World doesn’t take patient. What business does it have playing Bon Samaritan with the sick? The fittest can’t have it both ways. There must be a standard somewhere otherwise the system will fail running by devil or not. So, what! The devil has been creative in the mud. That too is being duplicated. Can’t you notice the lagoon in perspective from here? At this junction the world has to choose its Capitalist model: The Bush-Ben Ladin or else.
Leonel you Got me here when you said:
We have Political problems.- We have a Country where Bad incapable Governments are our way of Life. From X to Z, we've only known deceit. We are living in a different World where Production is more important than Human life.
You killed many birds with one roc. Which country/government are you referring to? You must have an excess of faith if you believe currently Haiti has a government. You are devouring the myth too hard for adding “bad governments are our way of life". You sure know well the chefs who always crooked them for us. Human is still more important than any product except for Bush when it comes to oil. Let’s take for instance the story the young blond lost in Aruba. Maybe if it was Cosby’s daughter, Arubans wouldn’t stop the island’s activities to search for her. One must admire the Holloway’s family for trying everything they can to find their daughter. It is to show you how a family can break the cycle of your Capitalist myths. Sandy Shean is another blond who challenged your myths on Bush’s oil.
How many times Haitians have tried to take control of their destiny but a group of foreign mercenaries always find a way to reverse the situation a take over the country. Why Haiti is found itself at this crossroad again after the last elections. Timothy Carney’s cartel already set aside Haiti’s major ports for World Bank; the cartel’s lady has a job for Aristide when he comes back…
Leonel they used words and numbers to make it happen. Their prediction is catching up with the reality. How many Haitians they plan to kill is unknown. They get all they need to solve your mythsunderstanding. You think slums is a bad word, check out Paris’ slums in the 60’s on Bloncourt’s site. http://www.bloncourt.net/index-4.html
The International community will always fail in Haiti because it has to reinvent the wheel. Haitians don’t have problem sharing their 27000 km/sq. Let Haiti live.
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by Bouli* » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:52 am
Gelin,
You're right. The International Community's goal is to fail Haiti by all mean, but it got played in the last domino game. Li te pare pou fEmen jwEt lan paske doub blan te nan men-l. Men se pEp lan ki te bare doub blan pou-l te fE dekabEs. Bwa-a mare la. Timothy vle se tiBEna ki pou rebrase domino make an. Nou dwe fE tout sa ki posib pou anpeche magouy sa. Vle pa vle y'ap pran vyEj lan kanmenm.
Kominote entEnasyonal la deklare li te lage Ayiti poukout li twO bonE se sa-k fE peyi an tonbe nan briganday. Men se nou ki pou fE konnen se li ki te vin fE peyi an kado brigan yo. Kominote sa-a di li si tEman damou Ayiti li pral ba-l you akolad an pEmanans (jouk li toufe-l).
You're right. The International Community's goal is to fail Haiti by all mean, but it got played in the last domino game. Li te pare pou fEmen jwEt lan paske doub blan te nan men-l. Men se pEp lan ki te bare doub blan pou-l te fE dekabEs. Bwa-a mare la. Timothy vle se tiBEna ki pou rebrase domino make an. Nou dwe fE tout sa ki posib pou anpeche magouy sa. Vle pa vle y'ap pran vyEj lan kanmenm.
Kominote entEnasyonal la deklare li te lage Ayiti poukout li twO bonE se sa-k fE peyi an tonbe nan briganday. Men se nou ki pou fE konnen se li ki te vin fE peyi an kado brigan yo. Kominote sa-a di li si tEman damou Ayiti li pral ba-l you akolad an pEmanans (jouk li toufe-l).
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by guysanto* » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:20 am
Bon, mwen panse tou dabò fòk nou ta rejete tèminoloji enperyalis la, paske tout mo gen fòs. Enperyalis yo deside ant yo ke nan ka Ayiti a se twa peyi kap reprezante Kominote Entènasyonal la: Lafrans, Kanada, Etazini. Fòk nou di non, bagay sa pap rantre nan vokabilè nou. Kominote entènasyonal la dwe gen ladan l tou: Lafrikdisid ak tout lòt peyi ki nan Linyon Afrikèn lan, li konprann tou tout peyi ki fè pati CARICOM lan, li konprann tou Amerik Latin lan, an patikilye tout peyi Ayiti te ede pran endepandans yo (e fòk nou rale zòrèy yo pou yo kab sonje sa) e nan konjekti sosyopolitk Ayiti a, li konprann espesyalman Dominikani (vle pa vle), Venezyela, ak Kiba.
Kidonk, fòk Laprès ayisyèn sispann fè sousou enperyalis yo nan kontinye bay Etazini, Lafrans, ak Kanada grad tankou se Bondye ki te ba yo plas "Communauté Internationale" ou "International Community" pou Ayiti.
Fòs enperyalis yo defini pou nou anpil tèm nan vokabilè nou ki fè sans pou sèlman, men se yon veritab anmèdman yo ye pou Ayiti ak jan Ayisyen konsevwa tèt yo. Yon pèp ki pa gen pwòp idantite li, ki kontante l pale de tèt li parapò ak vokabilè lòt moun defini pou li, se yon pèp ki pap rive lwen.
Ann site
- "Kominote Entènasyonal"
- "Leas Amis d'Haïti" + "Friends of Haiti" = vokabilè enperyalis ki pa gen anyen arevwa ak pèp ayisyen. Se nou sèl ki gen dwa defini ki moun ki "Zanmi Ayiti", se pa yo!
- "Haïti, le pays le plus pauvre de l'Amérique ou de l'hémisphère occidental" + "Haiti, the poorest country of the Western Hemisphere". GÈT MARENN NOU! SE PA NON SA DESALIN TE BAN NOU.
Se vre blan franse te fin dechapiye kapasite oto-finansman nou (se yon bagay istorik nou fèt pou nou raple yo tout tan tou, malgre Gérard Latortue te deklare "Cette affaire est classée!").
Se vre Ayiti pa te janm fè defo nan peye dèt entèn ak dèt ekstèn li, jis ke Meriken te anvayi li an 1915 epi yo te delapide Trezò Nasyonal nou.
Se vre menm Meriken sa yo te pran rezèv lò peyi nou, yo pran aliminyòm nou, yo rann tè nou enfètil nan kilti pit (sisal) ak kawoutchou (organic rubber), yo touye kochon kreyòl nou yo, yo bonbade peyi nou ak manje pèpè ki vin detwi kapasite nou pou nou pwodui manje lokal pou tout pitit peyi a (se vrè endepandans lan sa).
Se vre anpil dirijan ayisyen, ke yo pote non diktatè ke yo pa pote l, vini fè tankou blan yo tou (sitou apre 1915) nan souse finans peyi a pou yal depoze richès nan bank entènasyonal yo (ki moun ofè ki jwi santèn milyon dola Janklod ak Michèl te retire nan bank nasyonal dayiti a??? se pa "Friends of Haiti" ankò???)
Se vre tou sa... men pou ki sa yo pa admèt ke Ayiti se peyi zòt dechapiye pi plis nan kontinan meriken an, "LE PAYS LE PAYS APPAUVRI DE L'AMÉRIQUE", "THE MOST EMPOVERISHED COUNTRY IN THE AMERICAS" olye yo kontinye ap lonje dwèt pasi pala sou maleng nou?
Se kon si yon kadejakè ta fin vyole yon fanm sovajman epi san tap koule soti nan bòbòt li, epi kounyè a kadejakè sa santi li gen dwa rele tout timoun lekòl vin gade pati prive fanm sa e ekspoze fanm sa tankou pi gwo bouzen ki genyen sou latè beni.
Fòk nou sispann patisipe nan salopriti sa yo!
Sa pa vle di ke nou rejete responsabilite pa nou nan bagay sa yo. Paske se vre nou bay twòp! Men se yon pèvèsite sa pou nou kontinye blame viktim pou krim ki fèt sou do yo, tandis ke nap trete vòlò yo, kadejakè yo, tankou moun entelijan. Fòk Ayisyen aprann ki pòt yo te kite gran louvri pou vòlò rantre nan kay la.
Men se pa moun yo fin vòlè a pou nou mennen nan tribinal vòlò yo.
Sa pa fè sans menm, men poutan se vokabilè sa (langaj jiridik) vòlò yo prepare pou eskize tèt yo de responsabilite yo genyen nan "basket case" yo rele "Haiti" a, "the poorest country in the western hemisphere". Gèt marenn yo ankò, paske Ayiti se te "bread basket" (panyen chaje ak manje e resous natirèl) li te ye pou swadizan "international community" ak "Friends of Haiti".
Fòk nou menm Ayisyen sispann defini tèt nou atravè vizyon kadejakè yo pou nou wè tout bon vre si peyi nou an fini. Pou nou wè si pa genyen yon opòtinite toujou pou nou fè san rekòmanse sikile ankò nan venn manman nou. E lò blan an ap lonje dwèt sou nou pou li montre nou jan nou lèd, fòk nou kapab di blan an "Gèt marenn ou, paske nou lèd men nou la!"
Si nou pa gen fòs pou nou leve kanpe tou sèl apre seri kadejak brital sa yo (national gang rapes), fòk nou kapab omwen chwazi ki men nou vle rale sou li pou nou leve kanpe. Se dwa nou sa. Yo pran bòbòt nou, men yo pa fouti pran kè nou tou. Sa ki nan kè nou, se noumenm ki konnen l.
Kidonk, fòk Laprès ayisyèn sispann fè sousou enperyalis yo nan kontinye bay Etazini, Lafrans, ak Kanada grad tankou se Bondye ki te ba yo plas "Communauté Internationale" ou "International Community" pou Ayiti.
Fòs enperyalis yo defini pou nou anpil tèm nan vokabilè nou ki fè sans pou sèlman, men se yon veritab anmèdman yo ye pou Ayiti ak jan Ayisyen konsevwa tèt yo. Yon pèp ki pa gen pwòp idantite li, ki kontante l pale de tèt li parapò ak vokabilè lòt moun defini pou li, se yon pèp ki pap rive lwen.
Ann site
- "Kominote Entènasyonal"
- "Leas Amis d'Haïti" + "Friends of Haiti" = vokabilè enperyalis ki pa gen anyen arevwa ak pèp ayisyen. Se nou sèl ki gen dwa defini ki moun ki "Zanmi Ayiti", se pa yo!
- "Haïti, le pays le plus pauvre de l'Amérique ou de l'hémisphère occidental" + "Haiti, the poorest country of the Western Hemisphere". GÈT MARENN NOU! SE PA NON SA DESALIN TE BAN NOU.
Se vre blan franse te fin dechapiye kapasite oto-finansman nou (se yon bagay istorik nou fèt pou nou raple yo tout tan tou, malgre Gérard Latortue te deklare "Cette affaire est classée!").
Se vre Ayiti pa te janm fè defo nan peye dèt entèn ak dèt ekstèn li, jis ke Meriken te anvayi li an 1915 epi yo te delapide Trezò Nasyonal nou.
Se vre menm Meriken sa yo te pran rezèv lò peyi nou, yo pran aliminyòm nou, yo rann tè nou enfètil nan kilti pit (sisal) ak kawoutchou (organic rubber), yo touye kochon kreyòl nou yo, yo bonbade peyi nou ak manje pèpè ki vin detwi kapasite nou pou nou pwodui manje lokal pou tout pitit peyi a (se vrè endepandans lan sa).
Se vre anpil dirijan ayisyen, ke yo pote non diktatè ke yo pa pote l, vini fè tankou blan yo tou (sitou apre 1915) nan souse finans peyi a pou yal depoze richès nan bank entènasyonal yo (ki moun ofè ki jwi santèn milyon dola Janklod ak Michèl te retire nan bank nasyonal dayiti a??? se pa "Friends of Haiti" ankò???)
Se vre tou sa... men pou ki sa yo pa admèt ke Ayiti se peyi zòt dechapiye pi plis nan kontinan meriken an, "LE PAYS LE PAYS APPAUVRI DE L'AMÉRIQUE", "THE MOST EMPOVERISHED COUNTRY IN THE AMERICAS" olye yo kontinye ap lonje dwèt pasi pala sou maleng nou?
Se kon si yon kadejakè ta fin vyole yon fanm sovajman epi san tap koule soti nan bòbòt li, epi kounyè a kadejakè sa santi li gen dwa rele tout timoun lekòl vin gade pati prive fanm sa e ekspoze fanm sa tankou pi gwo bouzen ki genyen sou latè beni.
Fòk nou sispann patisipe nan salopriti sa yo!
Sa pa vle di ke nou rejete responsabilite pa nou nan bagay sa yo. Paske se vre nou bay twòp! Men se yon pèvèsite sa pou nou kontinye blame viktim pou krim ki fèt sou do yo, tandis ke nap trete vòlò yo, kadejakè yo, tankou moun entelijan. Fòk Ayisyen aprann ki pòt yo te kite gran louvri pou vòlò rantre nan kay la.
Men se pa moun yo fin vòlè a pou nou mennen nan tribinal vòlò yo.
Sa pa fè sans menm, men poutan se vokabilè sa (langaj jiridik) vòlò yo prepare pou eskize tèt yo de responsabilite yo genyen nan "basket case" yo rele "Haiti" a, "the poorest country in the western hemisphere". Gèt marenn yo ankò, paske Ayiti se te "bread basket" (panyen chaje ak manje e resous natirèl) li te ye pou swadizan "international community" ak "Friends of Haiti".
Fòk nou menm Ayisyen sispann defini tèt nou atravè vizyon kadejakè yo pou nou wè tout bon vre si peyi nou an fini. Pou nou wè si pa genyen yon opòtinite toujou pou nou fè san rekòmanse sikile ankò nan venn manman nou. E lò blan an ap lonje dwèt sou nou pou li montre nou jan nou lèd, fòk nou kapab di blan an "Gèt marenn ou, paske nou lèd men nou la!"
Si nou pa gen fòs pou nou leve kanpe tou sèl apre seri kadejak brital sa yo (national gang rapes), fòk nou kapab omwen chwazi ki men nou vle rale sou li pou nou leve kanpe. Se dwa nou sa. Yo pran bòbòt nou, men yo pa fouti pran kè nou tou. Sa ki nan kè nou, se noumenm ki konnen l.
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by jafrikayiti* » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:02 am
I did not even want to say anything more on this thread because I find it so difficult to digest some of the comments made by Leonel. To me they merely reiterate the eurocentric and racist myths that the klan has been using to wash its hands of the crimes committed in Haiti.
I understand that the devil will always defend itself. But, I really don't see why it should be our business to be its advocate. As if they don't have enough money to get themselves the most wicked and slimmy lawyers out of Washington, Paris and Ottawa to defend their satanic cause.
Anyway, while we are having this conversation, the buffon known as Gérard Latortue, who said that beyond February 7, 2006 he would no longer be acting as Prime Minister...yet who has been signing all kinds of illegal documents in the name of the State of Haiti, is being paraded around in the capitals of his masters.
Apparently, the circus is on its way to Canada, this very week.
What I can tell you is that, if Gwo Jera does come here, there is a good reception awaiting him from peace (with justice) activists and from Haitians who are not ashamed of who they are, of their belonging to the nation of Marrons who did November 18, 1804 as well as February 7 and February 13, 2006. We are going to let the Uncle Tom puppet as well as his masters know that this clown is not a made-in-Haiti product. He is THEIR BOY. Latortue and all the pieces of paper that he and his klan have signed represent nothing more than toilet paper. They cannot and do not bind the Haitian people.
I raised that issue with Henri Bazin, the so-called Minister of Industry of the Uncle Tom Transition "government" back in 2004 when their masters organized the so-called Diaspora Conference in Montreal. That old imbecile, with a straight face, claimed that he feels completely legitimate signing accords that are binding to the Haitian State. We also know that the World Bank has openly declared that this 2 year period is a "window of opportunity" for them to implement structural and economic policies that a future (legal) government, shall be unable to undo.
Our response: GET MARENN YO ! That's what they think they can get away with. But, unless we are all zombies, it will not happen like so.
Haitians have elected their own president. His name is René Préval. As you may have noticed, he is not a zombie who walks and talks with his head down à la Boniface. There are elections to be completed for a Haitian Senate and Chamber of Deputees (we remain vigilent, for we know there are many thieves still in the house!).
All legal accords that bind the nation must be according to the Haitian Constitution. A gang of foreign criminals and their national stooges will not be allowed to hijack the presidency of René Préval, even before it begins. Furthermore, that Presidency is that of a nation of millions who expressed their choice without ambiguity. They rejected the puppets, they rejected the Uncle Toms, the collaborators, the sell-outs. They rejected the protectorate, they rejected all these BLAN. From Apaid to his brother-in-law Baker to his childhood friend Tippenhauer and his nephew Hans and to their buddy Bernard - who apparently LIED about his so-called farm having been ransaked to justify fleeing the country once caught trying to steal the people's vote.....all these THIEVES and their foreign accomplices have been REJECTED by the People of Haiti.
So, now what remains to be seen is whether the privileged Haitians who have been analyzing, criticizing, talking ad nauseum, instead of standing by the people to defend their right, will be smart enough to stop the self-flagellation and begin to fight the freaking devil. BROTHER, SISTER, IT IS NO TIME TO BE ADVOCATING FOR THE FREAKIN' DEVIL ! INSTEAD, JOIN YOUR PEOPLE AND FIGHT THE BEAST !
Cite Soleil stood up. Belair stood up, Haiti, under the bullets, they stood up and gave us February 7, 2006 and then again, empty handed, they stood up February 13, 2006....marched unto the Hotel Montana where all the bad deals were being concocted between the klan and their stooges on the back of the Haitian people....they marched fearlessly...and forced the klan to open the gates....They plunged into the water and gave a lesson of civility rarely seen in our sick world of today. over 10 thousand people fom the most impoverished corner of the world walked into the most enriched enclave of that Rebel Nation and they did not steal a single material item. They did not break a stool or work of art. Majestically, they came, they expressed themselves clearly and triumphantly they left.
All the alienated fools who wetted their pants at the sight of these thousands of their own brothers....are still confused about this unprecedented event. Like Apartheid era South African Boers, many failed to understand why Desmond Tutu felt more at ease than them. Why he wasn't afraid of these "uninvited guests" at the Montana. Why he refused to "flee" by helicopter via the roof of the hotel. Theses "black skin white mask" trembling fools never realized that Cité Soleil, Bélair were walking in "Hotel Petionville" to offer them peace so that there shall not be "the fire next time". These fools still blinded by their eurocentric glasses did not recognize their own faces in the faces of their brethren. They got scared !
Menmsi "klas lan pa travay"..., the lesson remains on the blackboard...it is still time for some students to ponder on the lesson of humanity and take from it the inspiration that is so sorely needed to force a different tomorrow in Haiti. Not Apaid's dream "Rhodesia in America" but our Liberia that is struggling to be...our beloved AYITI which refuses to bow or kneel.
President Preval used to say "naje pou ou soti". Well, the people did swin in the Montana....but they did not swin only for themselves....they swam for you and I. They swam so that we could all find the way out....out of this dangerous crossroad....FOK NOU KITE CHIMEN TENTEN. But, will we be humble enough to follow their wet footsteps....?
Èske n ap soti ?
Or are we so sick, so irremediably bound by the shackles of mental slavery that we will continue to follow the bloody steps of Luigi Einaudi, Roger Noriega, Timothey Michael Carney.... this horde of imbeciles who have been taking us on the path of death for the past years?
The choice is ours. We either walk with our people toward Peace or we follow the fools of Washington to our doom.
On my chosen path our theme song is: "REZISTANS O REZISTANS. Yo mete divizyon pou youn ka dechire lot. Tan pou nou tounen Vyetnam, nou pito manje lam. O sanba, souke tcha-tcha ou. Rezistans ! Rezistans! Rezistans!"
Meanwhile, brother Patrick ELie is at this very moment giving a press conference in Ottawa-Gatineau, speaking truth to power so that sovereingty, dignity and peace be restored to our homeland. For more about brother Patrick Elie's current cross-Canada tour, please see www.canadahaitiaaction.ca
AMANDLA !
Jafrikayiti
"Rezistans ak entèlijans se sèl sa ki ka bay Ayiti yon chans !
I understand that the devil will always defend itself. But, I really don't see why it should be our business to be its advocate. As if they don't have enough money to get themselves the most wicked and slimmy lawyers out of Washington, Paris and Ottawa to defend their satanic cause.
Anyway, while we are having this conversation, the buffon known as Gérard Latortue, who said that beyond February 7, 2006 he would no longer be acting as Prime Minister...yet who has been signing all kinds of illegal documents in the name of the State of Haiti, is being paraded around in the capitals of his masters.
Apparently, the circus is on its way to Canada, this very week.
What I can tell you is that, if Gwo Jera does come here, there is a good reception awaiting him from peace (with justice) activists and from Haitians who are not ashamed of who they are, of their belonging to the nation of Marrons who did November 18, 1804 as well as February 7 and February 13, 2006. We are going to let the Uncle Tom puppet as well as his masters know that this clown is not a made-in-Haiti product. He is THEIR BOY. Latortue and all the pieces of paper that he and his klan have signed represent nothing more than toilet paper. They cannot and do not bind the Haitian people.
I raised that issue with Henri Bazin, the so-called Minister of Industry of the Uncle Tom Transition "government" back in 2004 when their masters organized the so-called Diaspora Conference in Montreal. That old imbecile, with a straight face, claimed that he feels completely legitimate signing accords that are binding to the Haitian State. We also know that the World Bank has openly declared that this 2 year period is a "window of opportunity" for them to implement structural and economic policies that a future (legal) government, shall be unable to undo.
Our response: GET MARENN YO ! That's what they think they can get away with. But, unless we are all zombies, it will not happen like so.
Haitians have elected their own president. His name is René Préval. As you may have noticed, he is not a zombie who walks and talks with his head down à la Boniface. There are elections to be completed for a Haitian Senate and Chamber of Deputees (we remain vigilent, for we know there are many thieves still in the house!).
All legal accords that bind the nation must be according to the Haitian Constitution. A gang of foreign criminals and their national stooges will not be allowed to hijack the presidency of René Préval, even before it begins. Furthermore, that Presidency is that of a nation of millions who expressed their choice without ambiguity. They rejected the puppets, they rejected the Uncle Toms, the collaborators, the sell-outs. They rejected the protectorate, they rejected all these BLAN. From Apaid to his brother-in-law Baker to his childhood friend Tippenhauer and his nephew Hans and to their buddy Bernard - who apparently LIED about his so-called farm having been ransaked to justify fleeing the country once caught trying to steal the people's vote.....all these THIEVES and their foreign accomplices have been REJECTED by the People of Haiti.
So, now what remains to be seen is whether the privileged Haitians who have been analyzing, criticizing, talking ad nauseum, instead of standing by the people to defend their right, will be smart enough to stop the self-flagellation and begin to fight the freaking devil. BROTHER, SISTER, IT IS NO TIME TO BE ADVOCATING FOR THE FREAKIN' DEVIL ! INSTEAD, JOIN YOUR PEOPLE AND FIGHT THE BEAST !
Cite Soleil stood up. Belair stood up, Haiti, under the bullets, they stood up and gave us February 7, 2006 and then again, empty handed, they stood up February 13, 2006....marched unto the Hotel Montana where all the bad deals were being concocted between the klan and their stooges on the back of the Haitian people....they marched fearlessly...and forced the klan to open the gates....They plunged into the water and gave a lesson of civility rarely seen in our sick world of today. over 10 thousand people fom the most impoverished corner of the world walked into the most enriched enclave of that Rebel Nation and they did not steal a single material item. They did not break a stool or work of art. Majestically, they came, they expressed themselves clearly and triumphantly they left.
All the alienated fools who wetted their pants at the sight of these thousands of their own brothers....are still confused about this unprecedented event. Like Apartheid era South African Boers, many failed to understand why Desmond Tutu felt more at ease than them. Why he wasn't afraid of these "uninvited guests" at the Montana. Why he refused to "flee" by helicopter via the roof of the hotel. Theses "black skin white mask" trembling fools never realized that Cité Soleil, Bélair were walking in "Hotel Petionville" to offer them peace so that there shall not be "the fire next time". These fools still blinded by their eurocentric glasses did not recognize their own faces in the faces of their brethren. They got scared !
Menmsi "klas lan pa travay"..., the lesson remains on the blackboard...it is still time for some students to ponder on the lesson of humanity and take from it the inspiration that is so sorely needed to force a different tomorrow in Haiti. Not Apaid's dream "Rhodesia in America" but our Liberia that is struggling to be...our beloved AYITI which refuses to bow or kneel.
President Preval used to say "naje pou ou soti". Well, the people did swin in the Montana....but they did not swin only for themselves....they swam for you and I. They swam so that we could all find the way out....out of this dangerous crossroad....FOK NOU KITE CHIMEN TENTEN. But, will we be humble enough to follow their wet footsteps....?
Èske n ap soti ?
Or are we so sick, so irremediably bound by the shackles of mental slavery that we will continue to follow the bloody steps of Luigi Einaudi, Roger Noriega, Timothey Michael Carney.... this horde of imbeciles who have been taking us on the path of death for the past years?
The choice is ours. We either walk with our people toward Peace or we follow the fools of Washington to our doom.
On my chosen path our theme song is: "REZISTANS O REZISTANS. Yo mete divizyon pou youn ka dechire lot. Tan pou nou tounen Vyetnam, nou pito manje lam. O sanba, souke tcha-tcha ou. Rezistans ! Rezistans! Rezistans!"
Meanwhile, brother Patrick ELie is at this very moment giving a press conference in Ottawa-Gatineau, speaking truth to power so that sovereingty, dignity and peace be restored to our homeland. For more about brother Patrick Elie's current cross-Canada tour, please see www.canadahaitiaaction.ca
AMANDLA !
Jafrikayiti
"Rezistans ak entèlijans se sèl sa ki ka bay Ayiti yon chans !
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:41 am
Map mande si li posib pou nou deal ak lOt moun. Paske, nEg sa yo, si se pa yo kap kOmande. Yo prefere gate tout bagay. YOp pa pot non Zwazo Mechan pou gran mesi non.
Sa m panse, nou ka fE l ak anpil diplomasi. FOnn sonje ke mounsa yo enfliyanse le monn. Kidonk, li mande anpil kalkil.
Dan pouri toujou gen fOs sou bannann mi.
Tounen sou kozman popilasyon yo. Menm lE ou pran peyi skandinav yo. Yo gen on pwojeksyon de zewo pousan popilasyon growth. E, se sak fE popilasyon yo an rete san ajoute on pwElyEm. Men, gen on pwoblEm, sE ke yo gen a pe prE plis ke senkant pousan gran Moun. Kidonk, ka yo pi grav pase aksan grav.
Ayiti sipoze gen on kontwOl nan popilasyon an. Paske, nou pa menm ka nouri 8 milyon ke nou genyen kounye a. Kididonk, 10 a ven milyon pap nan enterE peyi a ditou. KOm mwen di l deja, mwen pa wE konspirasyon an ditou si se pwen.
Ou gouvEnnman serye sipoze pran koze popilasyon an trE serye. E, o pwen de vi pOtoprens, yo sipoze intEdi moun pou yo pa ouvri biznis nan kapital la. Tout manifakti sipoze al nan pwovens pou desantralize kapital la.
Bouli, sonje lE se moun kap lonje men ba w. Se lan tEm pa yo yo lonje ba w. Se pa lan tEm pa w. Sa vle di mandian paka chwasi. SE lE ou sot nan mandiansite ou ka fE sa.-
Men anpil, chay pa lou,
leonel
Sa m panse, nou ka fE l ak anpil diplomasi. FOnn sonje ke mounsa yo enfliyanse le monn. Kidonk, li mande anpil kalkil.
Dan pouri toujou gen fOs sou bannann mi.
Tounen sou kozman popilasyon yo. Menm lE ou pran peyi skandinav yo. Yo gen on pwojeksyon de zewo pousan popilasyon growth. E, se sak fE popilasyon yo an rete san ajoute on pwElyEm. Men, gen on pwoblEm, sE ke yo gen a pe prE plis ke senkant pousan gran Moun. Kidonk, ka yo pi grav pase aksan grav.
Ayiti sipoze gen on kontwOl nan popilasyon an. Paske, nou pa menm ka nouri 8 milyon ke nou genyen kounye a. Kididonk, 10 a ven milyon pap nan enterE peyi a ditou. KOm mwen di l deja, mwen pa wE konspirasyon an ditou si se pwen.
Ou gouvEnnman serye sipoze pran koze popilasyon an trE serye. E, o pwen de vi pOtoprens, yo sipoze intEdi moun pou yo pa ouvri biznis nan kapital la. Tout manifakti sipoze al nan pwovens pou desantralize kapital la.
Bouli, sonje lE se moun kap lonje men ba w. Se lan tEm pa yo yo lonje ba w. Se pa lan tEm pa w. Sa vle di mandian paka chwasi. SE lE ou sot nan mandiansite ou ka fE sa.-
Men anpil, chay pa lou,
leonel
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by Frantz* » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:03 pm
Leonel di:
Se yon bèl ide, men eske sa w di an realizab vre? M panse etabli biznis nan yon zòn detèmine mande strikti adekwat. Sistem kominikasyon tankou wout, telefòn san ou pa blye elektrisite pi enpòtan pou genyen anvan tout bagay. Kidonk, pwoblem nou konplike e vin pi konplike toujou ak yon bann teknokrat rat ki pa konprann yon "merde" nan dirije yon peyi. Wi nou naje, men nou poko konnen kijan n'ap soti nan tentennad ke MoUnPa yo mete peyi an.
.E, o pwen de vi pOtoprens, yo sipoze intEdi moun pou yo pa ouvri biznis nan kapital la. Tout manifakti sipoze al nan pwovens pou desantralize kapital la
Se yon bèl ide, men eske sa w di an realizab vre? M panse etabli biznis nan yon zòn detèmine mande strikti adekwat. Sistem kominikasyon tankou wout, telefòn san ou pa blye elektrisite pi enpòtan pou genyen anvan tout bagay. Kidonk, pwoblem nou konplike e vin pi konplike toujou ak yon bann teknokrat rat ki pa konprann yon "merde" nan dirije yon peyi. Wi nou naje, men nou poko konnen kijan n'ap soti nan tentennad ke MoUnPa yo mete peyi an.
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by Bouli* » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:41 am
Guy,
Li lè li tan vre pou nou sispann itilize vokabilè ki kache magouy bann malfwendeng k’ap depatcha sosyete nou yo. M’pa kwè jounalis lakay pare pou chanje langaj fòmasyon mèt yo paske si se pa sa pa gen dyòb ni viza. Definitivman nou pa ka kontinye rele bann saltenbank ki anvayi Ayiti yo kominote entènasyonal paske nou gen tandans fouye tout nasyon oubyen teritwa nan menm sak. Mwen renmen fason ou entèprete zak malonèt Canada Etazini ak Frans ki organize ou lòt viòl an gang sou Ayiti. Epi se viktim lan ki reponsab poutèt bòbòt deyò. Se pa ni de ni twa fwa yo tounen vin toufonnen Ayiti, epi nou jwenn Ayisyen k’ap eseye jistifye zagribay yo ankò. Bòbòt lan pral lave ak fèy tibonm pou-l retounen sere ankò. Apresa n’ap voye saltenbank yo al manyen bòbòt manman yo.
Leonel, anvann al pi lwen m’sonje ou t’ap di kijan Ayiti gen maladi seksyel. Nou konen se vre men se pa la faktori an ye. Nan sid Etazini parekzanp se pa ni de twa maladi sa yo kin pran lari an lajan kontan, magre leta lage koukouwouj dèyè yo. Sifilis pi plis, Gonorea pa ra menm, Trikomaniasis sòti ak doub sis, Klimedia se pa jodi a san konte timoun k’ap rale sou plim, Epiz, Sida, Epatatis, Papiyon, TB…Se poko pwoblèm lan toujou. Okontrè vagabond yo vin konplike pwoblèm lan plis toujou. Non sèlman yo fèmen lekòl lamedsin pou brigan ann inifòm ak zam mete ansanm ak brigan san inifòm vin simen maladi plis nan bòdèl GNB yo.
Tande sa Leonel di mezanmi “sonje lE se moun kap lonje men ba w. Se lan tEm pa yo yo lonje ba w. Se pa lan tEm pa w. Sa vle di mandian paka chwasi. SE lE ou sot nan mandiansite ou ka fE sa.-“
Di-m ki lè yo lonje men bay Ayiti. Ou refize kwè nan sa ou wè ou pito kwè nan yo di-w. Ayisyen paka konte konbyen fwa zenglendo sa yo vin niche kras ki nan ti bòl li a non. Ou janm wè pastè ap lonji men bay pòv pou ede-l antre legliz? Se pou evite konpetisyon. Lè ou wè y’ap lonji men bay Ayiti se pou Ayiti degaje-l jwenn you bagay pou lage nan bòl pa yo. Tout moun ap mande, se ti bòl ki ranpli gwo bòl. Apa Bank Mondial koumanse fè jenifleksyon dèyè ladwann Ayiti. Kòmsi li konn valè priyè “in god we trust” pibyen pase toutmoun sou latè. Y’ap vann Leta Arab sèvis pòtyè yo epi yo vle privatize pa nou. Apa piyay bòbòt lan fini.
Li lè li tan vre pou nou sispann itilize vokabilè ki kache magouy bann malfwendeng k’ap depatcha sosyete nou yo. M’pa kwè jounalis lakay pare pou chanje langaj fòmasyon mèt yo paske si se pa sa pa gen dyòb ni viza. Definitivman nou pa ka kontinye rele bann saltenbank ki anvayi Ayiti yo kominote entènasyonal paske nou gen tandans fouye tout nasyon oubyen teritwa nan menm sak. Mwen renmen fason ou entèprete zak malonèt Canada Etazini ak Frans ki organize ou lòt viòl an gang sou Ayiti. Epi se viktim lan ki reponsab poutèt bòbòt deyò. Se pa ni de ni twa fwa yo tounen vin toufonnen Ayiti, epi nou jwenn Ayisyen k’ap eseye jistifye zagribay yo ankò. Bòbòt lan pral lave ak fèy tibonm pou-l retounen sere ankò. Apresa n’ap voye saltenbank yo al manyen bòbòt manman yo.
Leonel, anvann al pi lwen m’sonje ou t’ap di kijan Ayiti gen maladi seksyel. Nou konen se vre men se pa la faktori an ye. Nan sid Etazini parekzanp se pa ni de twa maladi sa yo kin pran lari an lajan kontan, magre leta lage koukouwouj dèyè yo. Sifilis pi plis, Gonorea pa ra menm, Trikomaniasis sòti ak doub sis, Klimedia se pa jodi a san konte timoun k’ap rale sou plim, Epiz, Sida, Epatatis, Papiyon, TB…Se poko pwoblèm lan toujou. Okontrè vagabond yo vin konplike pwoblèm lan plis toujou. Non sèlman yo fèmen lekòl lamedsin pou brigan ann inifòm ak zam mete ansanm ak brigan san inifòm vin simen maladi plis nan bòdèl GNB yo.
Tande sa Leonel di mezanmi “sonje lE se moun kap lonje men ba w. Se lan tEm pa yo yo lonje ba w. Se pa lan tEm pa w. Sa vle di mandian paka chwasi. SE lE ou sot nan mandiansite ou ka fE sa.-“
Di-m ki lè yo lonje men bay Ayiti. Ou refize kwè nan sa ou wè ou pito kwè nan yo di-w. Ayisyen paka konte konbyen fwa zenglendo sa yo vin niche kras ki nan ti bòl li a non. Ou janm wè pastè ap lonji men bay pòv pou ede-l antre legliz? Se pou evite konpetisyon. Lè ou wè y’ap lonji men bay Ayiti se pou Ayiti degaje-l jwenn you bagay pou lage nan bòl pa yo. Tout moun ap mande, se ti bòl ki ranpli gwo bòl. Apa Bank Mondial koumanse fè jenifleksyon dèyè ladwann Ayiti. Kòmsi li konn valè priyè “in god we trust” pibyen pase toutmoun sou latè. Y’ap vann Leta Arab sèvis pòtyè yo epi yo vle privatize pa nou. Apa piyay bòbòt lan fini.
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:08 am
Mezanmi, an nou rete an Ayiti. Ekzanp lOt peyi ka sEVi kOm referans, men, ann fokis sou pwoblEm NOU.
Mwen poko ap reponn, paske semEnn sa mwen pa finn twO kOdjOm. My fuses are very short! Anyway, banm ban m souliye, tout sa ki ekri sou fowOm nan le pli souvan se opinyon pEsonel on moun. Kidonk, lE on moun pa dakO ak sa ke nou ekri pa vle di li UNCLE TOM e tout lOt epitEt ki pap sEvi a anyen.
Lepi souvan, moun joure lE yo pa gen agiman. Kidonk, sa on moun ekri a pwopo de Ayiti ki pwal mache alavan ou kwakseswa. Tout sa se prediksyon ou espwa. Men, reyalite a diferan. Nou pakapab fE anyen pou kont nou. E sa li jeneral. Menm lE peyi devlope konnen ke yo depann de leksteryE.
Mwen ap temwaye oudimwen ap witness on bagay ak on peyi ke te konprann ke yo pat vrEman bezwen lOt peyi. E peyi sa se Dannmak. Pou m ka fE l pi kout, apre atik MoamEd la. Ekonomi yo plonje sou konn dayiva. Sak fE sa, on pakEt peyi Arab boycote pwodi Dannmak.
Alevwa on ti peyi tankou Ayiti, ki pa menm gen on fistibal. On peyi ke deviz li se goud e yo depanse US dolla. Ou pa fouti achte on kay an Ayiti si w pa gen Dolla US. Nou pratikman depann de lOt peyi ki pou lonje men pou nou. E se sak fE ke yo fE nenpOt bagay lE yo vle.
Nou ka fE bel retorik,. By the end of the day, our budget depends on Foreign Aid! Do you understand it? Kijan nou ka sOti nan enpass sa? I don't know. Men moun ki swa dizan save yo kap fE literati pale de endepandans yo pap kapab nouri ou bay sitye soley travay.
Si ou ka parEt ak on bon plan pou nou sOTi nan estad mandian sa. It would have been the best. Otherwise, we have to use other strategies.
Nou gen bel istwa se vre. Men, reyalite ke se pa ni mwen (Uncle TOm) ni ou (Boukman) ki fEl. E reyalite a prouve ke nou se youn nan peyi pi pOv nan le monn.- Nou mEt voksifere, leve kOnn frape l atE, Ayiti bezwen Sante piblik, Elektrisite, Edikasyon, MANJE, DLO, SEKIRITE ak TRAVAY.
Literati lontan te ka sEvi, kounye a la m pi kwE se la pratik vre. Nou pa bezwen fache nou fout anraje... (M Charlemagne)
Men anpil, chay pa lou
leonel
Mwen poko ap reponn, paske semEnn sa mwen pa finn twO kOdjOm. My fuses are very short! Anyway, banm ban m souliye, tout sa ki ekri sou fowOm nan le pli souvan se opinyon pEsonel on moun. Kidonk, lE on moun pa dakO ak sa ke nou ekri pa vle di li UNCLE TOM e tout lOt epitEt ki pap sEvi a anyen.
Lepi souvan, moun joure lE yo pa gen agiman. Kidonk, sa on moun ekri a pwopo de Ayiti ki pwal mache alavan ou kwakseswa. Tout sa se prediksyon ou espwa. Men, reyalite a diferan. Nou pakapab fE anyen pou kont nou. E sa li jeneral. Menm lE peyi devlope konnen ke yo depann de leksteryE.
Mwen ap temwaye oudimwen ap witness on bagay ak on peyi ke te konprann ke yo pat vrEman bezwen lOt peyi. E peyi sa se Dannmak. Pou m ka fE l pi kout, apre atik MoamEd la. Ekonomi yo plonje sou konn dayiva. Sak fE sa, on pakEt peyi Arab boycote pwodi Dannmak.
Alevwa on ti peyi tankou Ayiti, ki pa menm gen on fistibal. On peyi ke deviz li se goud e yo depanse US dolla. Ou pa fouti achte on kay an Ayiti si w pa gen Dolla US. Nou pratikman depann de lOt peyi ki pou lonje men pou nou. E se sak fE ke yo fE nenpOt bagay lE yo vle.
Nou ka fE bel retorik,. By the end of the day, our budget depends on Foreign Aid! Do you understand it? Kijan nou ka sOti nan enpass sa? I don't know. Men moun ki swa dizan save yo kap fE literati pale de endepandans yo pap kapab nouri ou bay sitye soley travay.
Si ou ka parEt ak on bon plan pou nou sOTi nan estad mandian sa. It would have been the best. Otherwise, we have to use other strategies.
Nou gen bel istwa se vre. Men, reyalite ke se pa ni mwen (Uncle TOm) ni ou (Boukman) ki fEl. E reyalite a prouve ke nou se youn nan peyi pi pOv nan le monn.- Nou mEt voksifere, leve kOnn frape l atE, Ayiti bezwen Sante piblik, Elektrisite, Edikasyon, MANJE, DLO, SEKIRITE ak TRAVAY.
Literati lontan te ka sEvi, kounye a la m pi kwE se la pratik vre. Nou pa bezwen fache nou fout anraje... (M Charlemagne)
Men anpil, chay pa lou
leonel
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by Tidodo* » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:33 am
Going back to the substance of this discussion, the 20M inhabitants prediction may be bad, not because those who made it are planning to use nazi's tactics to control it, but rather with malnutrition, lack of adequate healthcare, infantile mortality, newborn Haitians might not live long enough to swell the current population and to maintain the growth rate. Leonel is right, overpopulation is a problem in Haiti and it will get worse in the future even with good country governance. You all know that good country governance is an oxymoron in Haiti!
Even under Jean-Claude Duvalier's administration, there was some attempts to deal with the problem of overpopulation. I remember that TNH used to have a weekly family planning TV program in Kreyòl with that voluptuous mixed-color actress providing info to the population in the early 80s. I can't remember the name of the series. This is a social issue that needs to be addressed by any government, business, civic and even religious leaders qualified to take leadership position in Haiti. Responsible leaders or observers should put aside their political emotions to address it. Before someone challenges the prediction, because of the assumed solution that may be imported from outside, it would be more productive to provide demographic and economical data that Haiti can absorb that many more people while feeding them and guaranteeing them a decent life. We all know it is not true, for Haiti cannot feed properly more than two thirds of its population currently.
I grew up in the 60s when the conditions were much better than what they are today in Haiti. We, our family, were considered part of the middle class since we were able to attend the best schools in town almost for free. Yet, we regularly spent at least two days of any month without food, the roof of our house leaked and could never get repaired, there was no in-house plumbing, and infectious diseases and worms were rampant forcing us children having to swallow those awful laxatives (sené, epson salt, ricin oil, shenapodium, etc.) monthly. It is a crime against the vast majotiry of the population in Haiti who live in abject poverty to try to deny the facts of their daily living conditions.
Leonel is right, even though it does not serve everyone's politics. Regardless of how overpopulation will be controlled in Haiti, it is an undeniable fact that its existence is a problem that needs to be dealt with honestly. China has a bigger problem with overpopulation and they have taken drastic measures to deal with it. They do not seem to worry about the international community because they are acting responsibly towards it. Ours is a cause of concern because we showed no inclination to be in any capacity to deal with any national problem responsibly and effectibly. If you do not agree with me PLEASE DO NOT INSULT ME, just prove me wrong by providing statistical data or even anecdotal ones supported by testimonies and I will agree with you. It will be useless to tell me that I am a lackey of imperialism or an Uncle Tom because, like those in developed countries, I worry about the consequences of overpopulation on those who are now living in Haiti in abject poverty. Stop insulting people when you disagree with them. Prove them wrong with the strength of your arguments and research, or supporting data, or do something about it by helping those less fortunate than you. Haiti's sovereignty is at risk only because Haitians do not act responsibly towards problems in their country and, thus, allow foreigners to take action for them while they discuss politics ad nauseum and do nothing to solve the problems. Those countries who act more and talk less have fewer sovereignty problems than we have even though the gap between their overall conditions and ours is not that wide. We have become a country where political and community leaders are infinitely diagnosing national problems - although erroneously - and never do something about them.
J-M.
Even under Jean-Claude Duvalier's administration, there was some attempts to deal with the problem of overpopulation. I remember that TNH used to have a weekly family planning TV program in Kreyòl with that voluptuous mixed-color actress providing info to the population in the early 80s. I can't remember the name of the series. This is a social issue that needs to be addressed by any government, business, civic and even religious leaders qualified to take leadership position in Haiti. Responsible leaders or observers should put aside their political emotions to address it. Before someone challenges the prediction, because of the assumed solution that may be imported from outside, it would be more productive to provide demographic and economical data that Haiti can absorb that many more people while feeding them and guaranteeing them a decent life. We all know it is not true, for Haiti cannot feed properly more than two thirds of its population currently.
I grew up in the 60s when the conditions were much better than what they are today in Haiti. We, our family, were considered part of the middle class since we were able to attend the best schools in town almost for free. Yet, we regularly spent at least two days of any month without food, the roof of our house leaked and could never get repaired, there was no in-house plumbing, and infectious diseases and worms were rampant forcing us children having to swallow those awful laxatives (sené, epson salt, ricin oil, shenapodium, etc.) monthly. It is a crime against the vast majotiry of the population in Haiti who live in abject poverty to try to deny the facts of their daily living conditions.
Leonel is right, even though it does not serve everyone's politics. Regardless of how overpopulation will be controlled in Haiti, it is an undeniable fact that its existence is a problem that needs to be dealt with honestly. China has a bigger problem with overpopulation and they have taken drastic measures to deal with it. They do not seem to worry about the international community because they are acting responsibly towards it. Ours is a cause of concern because we showed no inclination to be in any capacity to deal with any national problem responsibly and effectibly. If you do not agree with me PLEASE DO NOT INSULT ME, just prove me wrong by providing statistical data or even anecdotal ones supported by testimonies and I will agree with you. It will be useless to tell me that I am a lackey of imperialism or an Uncle Tom because, like those in developed countries, I worry about the consequences of overpopulation on those who are now living in Haiti in abject poverty. Stop insulting people when you disagree with them. Prove them wrong with the strength of your arguments and research, or supporting data, or do something about it by helping those less fortunate than you. Haiti's sovereignty is at risk only because Haitians do not act responsibly towards problems in their country and, thus, allow foreigners to take action for them while they discuss politics ad nauseum and do nothing to solve the problems. Those countries who act more and talk less have fewer sovereignty problems than we have even though the gap between their overall conditions and ours is not that wide. We have become a country where political and community leaders are infinitely diagnosing national problems - although erroneously - and never do something about them.
J-M.
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by jafrikayiti* » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:21 am
Jean-Marie,
I actually have a different take on this. Isn't it up to those who are making the doom prognostics to show up with their data and to support it?
Yes, China has a program whereby girls are sacrificed and boys favoured, in the name of population control. I would not support such a program because of the obvious ethical problem it pauses. But, the point is CHINESE people decided to implement their solution, not some foreign "expert" from without their culture.
When impoverished Haitian women are being used as Ginea Pigs by the Boulos klan and John Hopkins University in Cité Soleil, it is on the altar of "solving the overpopulation problem". But, in her study Haitian researcher Anne Auguste tell us "this project was not conducted with the aim of empowering women to exercise birth control. Rather, they were used as experimental subjects. While the research was probably very profitable for its sponsors, it created nothing but havoc for the poor women on whom it was done".
http://www.haitisupport.gn.apc.org/35b.html
Ki lè n ap reyisi konn Jòj ?
I actually have a different take on this. Isn't it up to those who are making the doom prognostics to show up with their data and to support it?
Yes, China has a program whereby girls are sacrificed and boys favoured, in the name of population control. I would not support such a program because of the obvious ethical problem it pauses. But, the point is CHINESE people decided to implement their solution, not some foreign "expert" from without their culture.
When impoverished Haitian women are being used as Ginea Pigs by the Boulos klan and John Hopkins University in Cité Soleil, it is on the altar of "solving the overpopulation problem". But, in her study Haitian researcher Anne Auguste tell us "this project was not conducted with the aim of empowering women to exercise birth control. Rather, they were used as experimental subjects. While the research was probably very profitable for its sponsors, it created nothing but havoc for the poor women on whom it was done".
http://www.haitisupport.gn.apc.org/35b.html
Ki lè n ap reyisi konn Jòj ?
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by Tidodo* » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:51 am
Jaf,
While what you just said is right, we still have to deal with the overpopulation problem. That means, we have two problems. One is overpopulation that we need to deal with. The other one is outside intervention that undermines not only Haitian sovereignty but also maintains Haiti in the perennial state of dependency. But, it does not help when we are treating these two issues, or mixing any other problem of Haiti with the sovereignty problem, as one. It undermines finding solutions to either one.
J-M.
While what you just said is right, we still have to deal with the overpopulation problem. That means, we have two problems. One is overpopulation that we need to deal with. The other one is outside intervention that undermines not only Haitian sovereignty but also maintains Haiti in the perennial state of dependency. But, it does not help when we are treating these two issues, or mixing any other problem of Haiti with the sovereignty problem, as one. It undermines finding solutions to either one.
J-M.
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by Bouli* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:05 am
Leonel,
Do you really believe in that myth foreign aids are feeding people from Cite Soleil, Belair? A la kote moun gen bon kè. These people do whatever it takes to feed their family daily. Among other things, they are reluctant to use weapons against their neighbors like many foreigners would hope. That’s why these foreigners hate Aristide who in many occasions used his charisma to defuse their genocidal plans in Cite Soleil... Nobody says overpopulation is a good thing but UN massacres in the past two years are not solutions. I think Haiti has to reconsider its international treaties and diplomatic laws otherwise the country will be under international criminals rules for more years to come.
Tidodo, those criminals from all over the world who invaded Haiti were not planning to provide health care to Haitians. a service they don’t even consider for their countrymen. How could we dare think they want us to be healthy, well fed after they stated we are too many in their eyes? How can we see it normal for U.S. to take drastic actions to protect its people when it only lost 3,000 lives in an attack and Haiti that lost 10,000-14,000 lives, should remain idle in front of international gangs that planned to reduce its population? If it sounds like an enemy, it looks like an enemy, it walk like an enemy then it’s a enemy.
If three "friends" step to your house each with an ak-47 start counting your family members, checking their teeth, request you to submit them your salary for the next ten years, later declare that, they are too many people under this roof, and it's their reponsibility to help you with the situation. Would you welcome that proposition for them to solve your overcrowded household problem?
Do you really believe in that myth foreign aids are feeding people from Cite Soleil, Belair? A la kote moun gen bon kè. These people do whatever it takes to feed their family daily. Among other things, they are reluctant to use weapons against their neighbors like many foreigners would hope. That’s why these foreigners hate Aristide who in many occasions used his charisma to defuse their genocidal plans in Cite Soleil... Nobody says overpopulation is a good thing but UN massacres in the past two years are not solutions. I think Haiti has to reconsider its international treaties and diplomatic laws otherwise the country will be under international criminals rules for more years to come.
Tidodo, those criminals from all over the world who invaded Haiti were not planning to provide health care to Haitians. a service they don’t even consider for their countrymen. How could we dare think they want us to be healthy, well fed after they stated we are too many in their eyes? How can we see it normal for U.S. to take drastic actions to protect its people when it only lost 3,000 lives in an attack and Haiti that lost 10,000-14,000 lives, should remain idle in front of international gangs that planned to reduce its population? If it sounds like an enemy, it looks like an enemy, it walk like an enemy then it’s a enemy.
If three "friends" step to your house each with an ak-47 start counting your family members, checking their teeth, request you to submit them your salary for the next ten years, later declare that, they are too many people under this roof, and it's their reponsibility to help you with the situation. Would you welcome that proposition for them to solve your overcrowded household problem?
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:11 am
Bouli wrote,
Where did you get that from? I read my quotes over and over. I can not see anything that sort.
Come on guys, try to push your propaganda another way. Do not try to purposely misquoting someone! That is a shame!
You came with something that I do not agree with. For the simple reason that You said the International Communities are trying to reduce our Population. You called it a NAZI PLAN!
Myself, I admitted that We have an Overpopulation Problem which can be or should be controlled.- I also made my points with prevention etc. But, never mention the slaughtering of People in Cite Soleil or Belair.
Believe me! I am not trying to push anything. I am my own Man. And, this is also why I can state that this is not Racism! All over the World, there is a Big Social problem. We can not dwell on Racism while we are not helping!
Frantz did not think about Racism when He sent dozens of computers and a solar system to the students of Port a Piment. He knew that he had to help regardless.
Does he know that racism exist? Yes, but that does not stop one to help!
We can spend a lot of time talking about Cite Soley this or that. But, the fact remains , they do not have the things that we take for granted.
How do we help these people instead of crying racism? Can they help themselves without foreign help (diaspora or people from other countries)? I let you answer. Even the beloved Aristide couldn't do it. He was living large. Even his security guards had millions. Anyway, this is another topic.
Do you see the double standard in your statement,
Therefore, it is the right thing! The rich people are doing whatever to feed their family also. A dictator can kill millions and steal a lot to feed his family and keep up a lifestyle... It is fair, We can do whatever (break the Law) to feed our family!
Ala zafE papa,
Bouli, pa okipe moun kap fE w konprann ke on peyi kapab mache pou kont li tande Papa.
Haiti will need so much help. We alone can't do it.
Now, by saying all of this. What are your plans? Can you feed 10+ million People? Perhaps, I am wrong. Let me know.
My own definition of UNCLE TOM is someone who's screaming Power to the People while them belly full. Power to the People, while they enjoying the Racist Countries which are out to GET US!
Demokrat, Demagog, ak Vatikan ala renmen yo renmen bay manti papa.
Men anpil chay pa lou
leonel
Leonel,
Do you really believe in that myth foreign aids are feeding people from Cite Soleil, Belair? A la kote moun gen bon kè.
Where did you get that from? I read my quotes over and over. I can not see anything that sort.
Come on guys, try to push your propaganda another way. Do not try to purposely misquoting someone! That is a shame!
You came with something that I do not agree with. For the simple reason that You said the International Communities are trying to reduce our Population. You called it a NAZI PLAN!
Myself, I admitted that We have an Overpopulation Problem which can be or should be controlled.- I also made my points with prevention etc. But, never mention the slaughtering of People in Cite Soleil or Belair.
Believe me! I am not trying to push anything. I am my own Man. And, this is also why I can state that this is not Racism! All over the World, there is a Big Social problem. We can not dwell on Racism while we are not helping!
Frantz did not think about Racism when He sent dozens of computers and a solar system to the students of Port a Piment. He knew that he had to help regardless.
Does he know that racism exist? Yes, but that does not stop one to help!
We can spend a lot of time talking about Cite Soley this or that. But, the fact remains , they do not have the things that we take for granted.
How do we help these people instead of crying racism? Can they help themselves without foreign help (diaspora or people from other countries)? I let you answer. Even the beloved Aristide couldn't do it. He was living large. Even his security guards had millions. Anyway, this is another topic.
Do you see the double standard in your statement,
These people do whatever it takes to feed their family daily.
Therefore, it is the right thing! The rich people are doing whatever to feed their family also. A dictator can kill millions and steal a lot to feed his family and keep up a lifestyle... It is fair, We can do whatever (break the Law) to feed our family!
Ala zafE papa,
Bouli, pa okipe moun kap fE w konprann ke on peyi kapab mache pou kont li tande Papa.
Haiti will need so much help. We alone can't do it.
Now, by saying all of this. What are your plans? Can you feed 10+ million People? Perhaps, I am wrong. Let me know.
My own definition of UNCLE TOM is someone who's screaming Power to the People while them belly full. Power to the People, while they enjoying the Racist Countries which are out to GET US!
Demokrat, Demagog, ak Vatikan ala renmen yo renmen bay manti papa.
Men anpil chay pa lou
leonel
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by Tidodo* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:45 am
Bouli wrote:Tidodo, those criminals from all over the world who invaded Haiti were not planning to provide health care to Haitians. a service they don’t even consider for their countrymen.
That's very enlightening, Bouli!
J-M.
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by guysanto* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:41 am
Atansyon! Atansyon! Konvèsasyon an ap dejenere. Ale nan debi paj la, fè yon "search" sou "UNCLE TOM". Nap wè Jafrikayiti anplwaye mo sa twa fwa pou li dekri gouvènman non-konstitisyonèl la, ke Etazini, Kanada, ak Frans enpoze pèp ayisyen an apre U.S. Marines te debake nan peyi a pou mete yon fen nan prezidans Jean-Bertrand Aristide la.
Leonel, souple, ni Bouli ni Jafrikayiti pa te rele ou Uncle Tom. Reli tout liyn diskisyon an, wa wè ke se pa vre yo te rele w sa. Mwen ta renmen kwè nèg yo gen plis respè pou ou tou, paske franchman ou merite respè nou tout.
Pou zafè "overpopulation" an, mwen panse se jis yon zafè de resous. Mwen pa gen okenn pwoblèm ak 20 milyon Ayisyen! Mwen ta vle plis menm! Men lò pa gen manje, lò machann nan mache ap vann tablèt labou, lò moun redwi nan manje tè (se nan pwen sa bagay la rive nan kèk seksyon Ayiti), fòk nou mete fren nan zafè grennen pitit la. Si nou pa mete fren nan bagay sa, sa vle di nou derefize responsab tèt nou!
Men nou pa kapab detache nonm pitit Ayiti kab soutni de zafè resous peyi a. E nan bagay sa, fòk ou rekonèt ke "entènasyonal" la pa janm ede nou nan anyen. Se faktori yo toujou ap chache foure nan gòj nou. Depi nan koupe bwa nan peyi a (se pa peyizan ayisyen ki kòmanse pratik sa!) pou ekspòtasyon "timber" bwa twopikal yo [map chache istorik bagay sa pou nou], rive sou kochon kreyòl yo ekstèmine yo, vini sou "dark meat" poulè enpòte yo ak disparisyon poul peyi, nou gen dwa fè 2 dediksyon lojik sa yo:
1) Peyi etranje pa janm e pap janm reyèlman konsène ak devlòpman entegral peyi dayiti. Depi yo kapab eksplwate nou, yap toujou eksplwate nou. E menm lò yo pwopoze solisyon e yo ofri nou èd, jiskasprezan èd sa yo plis apovri nou ke yo anrichi nou. Gen de lè, zafè nou ta pi bon vre, si nou pa te resevwa tip de "foreign aid" nou abitye resevwa yo.
2) Ayisyen pa janm gen lidèchip politik entelijan pou yo mete okenn fren nan eksplwatasyon peyi a. Okontrè, pou pi souvan, lidè nou yo chache pran pa yo nan piyay la, olye yo mete yon fren ladan.
Pou ki sa nou pa kab genyen yon lidè tankou Fidel Castro ki fè odasye yo sispann souse san nou? Pou ki sa ankò nou pa kapab gen yon lidè kou Fidel Castro ki gen yon vizyon pou peyi li e ki demontre ke lò w konnen sa ou vle, nan pwen djab ki pou anpeche w akonpli li?
Bon, kounyè a, sa ki vle rete nan blame "entènasyonal" la toujou kab lonje dwèt sou sa ki vle rete nan blame Ayisyen ki pa renmen peyi yo vre. Sa ki vle rete nan blame Ayisyen ki pa renmen peyi yo vre kab lonje dwèt sou sa ki rete nan blame "entènasyonal" la. Pandan youn ap lonje dwèt sou lòt, peyi a ap kontinye deperi, san nou pa janm reyalize anyen.
Mwen panse kesyon fondamantal la, se pou nou tout ta diskite kouman nou kab favorize devlòpman yon lidèchip eklere nan peyi a e kouman nap kab sipòte yo, paske vrè enterè pèp ayisyen an pa ale nan menm sans ak globalizasyon ekonomik la. Nou vle mentni pwòp kilti afriken-karibeyen nou, nou vle sifi a tèt nou, nou vle granmoun tèt nou, nou vle chwazi gouvènman pa nou, nou vle manje kreyòl, nou vle pale kreyòl, nou vle fè lanmou kreyòl, nou vle kochon kreyòl, nou pa jwe bezbòl, nou pa Dominiken, nou pa Pòtoriken, nou gen dwa egziste tankou tout lòt pèp, nou pa bezwen dirijan etranje, elatriye. Nou bezwen patnè ki respekte nou, nou pa bezwen mèt kolon ki toujou swadizan ap chache "pwoteje" enterè nou. Listwa pwouve nou ke se mantò yo ye, ke se vòlò yo ye. Men se mèt kò ki pou veye kò.
Annou sispan vire an won. Lonje dwèt pap fè nou vanse. Se kalite lidèchip nou gen pou nou devlope lakay nou.
Leonel, souple, ni Bouli ni Jafrikayiti pa te rele ou Uncle Tom. Reli tout liyn diskisyon an, wa wè ke se pa vre yo te rele w sa. Mwen ta renmen kwè nèg yo gen plis respè pou ou tou, paske franchman ou merite respè nou tout.
Pou zafè "overpopulation" an, mwen panse se jis yon zafè de resous. Mwen pa gen okenn pwoblèm ak 20 milyon Ayisyen! Mwen ta vle plis menm! Men lò pa gen manje, lò machann nan mache ap vann tablèt labou, lò moun redwi nan manje tè (se nan pwen sa bagay la rive nan kèk seksyon Ayiti), fòk nou mete fren nan zafè grennen pitit la. Si nou pa mete fren nan bagay sa, sa vle di nou derefize responsab tèt nou!
Men nou pa kapab detache nonm pitit Ayiti kab soutni de zafè resous peyi a. E nan bagay sa, fòk ou rekonèt ke "entènasyonal" la pa janm ede nou nan anyen. Se faktori yo toujou ap chache foure nan gòj nou. Depi nan koupe bwa nan peyi a (se pa peyizan ayisyen ki kòmanse pratik sa!) pou ekspòtasyon "timber" bwa twopikal yo [map chache istorik bagay sa pou nou], rive sou kochon kreyòl yo ekstèmine yo, vini sou "dark meat" poulè enpòte yo ak disparisyon poul peyi, nou gen dwa fè 2 dediksyon lojik sa yo:
1) Peyi etranje pa janm e pap janm reyèlman konsène ak devlòpman entegral peyi dayiti. Depi yo kapab eksplwate nou, yap toujou eksplwate nou. E menm lò yo pwopoze solisyon e yo ofri nou èd, jiskasprezan èd sa yo plis apovri nou ke yo anrichi nou. Gen de lè, zafè nou ta pi bon vre, si nou pa te resevwa tip de "foreign aid" nou abitye resevwa yo.
2) Ayisyen pa janm gen lidèchip politik entelijan pou yo mete okenn fren nan eksplwatasyon peyi a. Okontrè, pou pi souvan, lidè nou yo chache pran pa yo nan piyay la, olye yo mete yon fren ladan.
Pou ki sa nou pa kab genyen yon lidè tankou Fidel Castro ki fè odasye yo sispann souse san nou? Pou ki sa ankò nou pa kapab gen yon lidè kou Fidel Castro ki gen yon vizyon pou peyi li e ki demontre ke lò w konnen sa ou vle, nan pwen djab ki pou anpeche w akonpli li?
Bon, kounyè a, sa ki vle rete nan blame "entènasyonal" la toujou kab lonje dwèt sou sa ki vle rete nan blame Ayisyen ki pa renmen peyi yo vre. Sa ki vle rete nan blame Ayisyen ki pa renmen peyi yo vre kab lonje dwèt sou sa ki rete nan blame "entènasyonal" la. Pandan youn ap lonje dwèt sou lòt, peyi a ap kontinye deperi, san nou pa janm reyalize anyen.
Mwen panse kesyon fondamantal la, se pou nou tout ta diskite kouman nou kab favorize devlòpman yon lidèchip eklere nan peyi a e kouman nap kab sipòte yo, paske vrè enterè pèp ayisyen an pa ale nan menm sans ak globalizasyon ekonomik la. Nou vle mentni pwòp kilti afriken-karibeyen nou, nou vle sifi a tèt nou, nou vle granmoun tèt nou, nou vle chwazi gouvènman pa nou, nou vle manje kreyòl, nou vle pale kreyòl, nou vle fè lanmou kreyòl, nou vle kochon kreyòl, nou pa jwe bezbòl, nou pa Dominiken, nou pa Pòtoriken, nou gen dwa egziste tankou tout lòt pèp, nou pa bezwen dirijan etranje, elatriye. Nou bezwen patnè ki respekte nou, nou pa bezwen mèt kolon ki toujou swadizan ap chache "pwoteje" enterè nou. Listwa pwouve nou ke se mantò yo ye, ke se vòlò yo ye. Men se mèt kò ki pou veye kò.
Annou sispan vire an won. Lonje dwèt pap fè nou vanse. Se kalite lidèchip nou gen pou nou devlope lakay nou.
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by Gelin* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:21 am
guysanto wrote:...Men se mèt kò ki pou veye kò.
E se la sèlman ke solisyon an chita, daprè mwen menm. Si kafou pa bay simityè paka pran. Wi, se mèt kò ki pou veye kò, e yon sèl fason ke ayisyen ka veye ayiti se lè yo respekte lwa peyi a e ede tout pitit peyi a konnen lalwa, fè konnen lalwa, e respekte lalwa.
Si nou pa rete anba lalwa peyi a, n ap toujou tonbe nan raje. E chak fwa nou tonbe nan raje, baka ak djab ap toujou la pou bwè san nou. Si w gade byen, lougawou gen djòl dous e li konn ki mo pou l anplwaye pou envite pitit peyi a al fè yon pwomenad avè l nan raje a yon fason pou l ka souse san l pibyen....
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by jafrikayiti* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:59 am
Mwen byen kontan Guy fè klarifikasyon sa a. Sèl sa mwen vle mete kòm bemòl, sè ke mwen pa dakò lè Guy deklare "Ayisyen pa janm gen lidèchip politik entelijan pou yo mete okenn fren nan eksplwatasyon peyi a". Fraz sa a bay enpresyon eksplwatasyon an fèt paske lidèchip politik entèlijan an pa janm pwente tèt li ditou. Okontrè, mwen kwè atravè listwa peyi nou, nou remake plizyè efò ki fèt pou devlope lidèchip entèlijan sa a, e chak fwa lennmi an envesti pou li pete fyèl li nan ze.
Kit se sou gouvènman Dessalines, Salomon, Estimé, Fignolé osnon 3 bout peryòd demokrasi nou viv sou direksyon Prezidan Aristide ak Préval yo, sa nou remake sèke gwo lajan ak resous depanse pou destabilize lidèchip entèlijan sa a.
Se pa san rezon yo ansasinen yon dividal poto mitan nan eskanp lidèchip entèlijan ki t ap develope nan ane 1990 yo....Izmery, Malari, Jean Pierre-Louis, Jean Dominique....tout pèsonalite sa yo gen envestisman enpòtan yo te fè pou ede Ayisyen pwoteje peyi a kont piyajè. Mouvman Lavalas la ki pran tout pataswèl nou wè li pran laa te genyen, e toujou genyen potansyèl pou li kontribye nan pwoteksyon sa a. Mouvman pwogresis ki pèdi anpil kredi nan ane 2003 a, akoz li aksepte rantre nan machinn GNB a, limenm tou - te gen e genyen potansyèl sa a.
Sa ki rann diskisyon an difisil, se lè moun ap mete nan menm panye prezidan, premyeminis legal epi de fakto ki rape pouvwa sou baz koudeta. Epi apre sa, n ap rele anmwey Ayiti pa janm gen bon lidè. Latortue pa yon lidè Ayisyen. Latortue se yon UNCLE TOM. Yon TYOUL blan an enpoze sou pèp Ayisyen.
Kounye a, men defi ki devan nou. Kite chimen tenten sa a. Mete enèji nou deyò pou lidè ki alatèt peyi a, se noumenm Ayisyen ki mete yo opouvwa. Epi, pou nou mobilize resous nou nan avantaj peyi a. Men, gen yon travay sikolojik ki makonnen ak mobilizasyon sa a. Moun ki kwè tout bon vre, blan an non sèlman enkontounab, men li endispansab nan tout sa n ap fè...pap janm pran tan envesti nan devlope lidèchip Ayisyen an. Yo gen tan bay legen. Okontrè, se ranfòse yo eseye rafòse osnon jistifye atitid sa a, ak egzanp move pèfòmans lidè peyi a bay. Se sa ki deranje mwen nan apwòch Leonel yo. Non sèlman misye pa bay sijesyon konkrè pou nou ta mete lidèchip la onivo li ta renmen wè li ye a, men li adopte yon diskou depriman ki pa enspire pèsonn travay nan sans li ta vle a.
Mwen pa kwè Ayiti bezwen gen ni Fidel Castro, ni Nelson Mandela. Ayiti deja genyen René Préval, Charles Mirayis ak Patrick Elie.....Se nou ki pou devlope mwayen pou nasyon an devlope estrateji pou chak Ayisyen rive aplike potansyèl li nan avantaj nasyon an "be all we can be".
Jaf
Kit se sou gouvènman Dessalines, Salomon, Estimé, Fignolé osnon 3 bout peryòd demokrasi nou viv sou direksyon Prezidan Aristide ak Préval yo, sa nou remake sèke gwo lajan ak resous depanse pou destabilize lidèchip entèlijan sa a.
Se pa san rezon yo ansasinen yon dividal poto mitan nan eskanp lidèchip entèlijan ki t ap develope nan ane 1990 yo....Izmery, Malari, Jean Pierre-Louis, Jean Dominique....tout pèsonalite sa yo gen envestisman enpòtan yo te fè pou ede Ayisyen pwoteje peyi a kont piyajè. Mouvman Lavalas la ki pran tout pataswèl nou wè li pran laa te genyen, e toujou genyen potansyèl pou li kontribye nan pwoteksyon sa a. Mouvman pwogresis ki pèdi anpil kredi nan ane 2003 a, akoz li aksepte rantre nan machinn GNB a, limenm tou - te gen e genyen potansyèl sa a.
Sa ki rann diskisyon an difisil, se lè moun ap mete nan menm panye prezidan, premyeminis legal epi de fakto ki rape pouvwa sou baz koudeta. Epi apre sa, n ap rele anmwey Ayiti pa janm gen bon lidè. Latortue pa yon lidè Ayisyen. Latortue se yon UNCLE TOM. Yon TYOUL blan an enpoze sou pèp Ayisyen.
Kounye a, men defi ki devan nou. Kite chimen tenten sa a. Mete enèji nou deyò pou lidè ki alatèt peyi a, se noumenm Ayisyen ki mete yo opouvwa. Epi, pou nou mobilize resous nou nan avantaj peyi a. Men, gen yon travay sikolojik ki makonnen ak mobilizasyon sa a. Moun ki kwè tout bon vre, blan an non sèlman enkontounab, men li endispansab nan tout sa n ap fè...pap janm pran tan envesti nan devlope lidèchip Ayisyen an. Yo gen tan bay legen. Okontrè, se ranfòse yo eseye rafòse osnon jistifye atitid sa a, ak egzanp move pèfòmans lidè peyi a bay. Se sa ki deranje mwen nan apwòch Leonel yo. Non sèlman misye pa bay sijesyon konkrè pou nou ta mete lidèchip la onivo li ta renmen wè li ye a, men li adopte yon diskou depriman ki pa enspire pèsonn travay nan sans li ta vle a.
Mwen pa kwè Ayiti bezwen gen ni Fidel Castro, ni Nelson Mandela. Ayiti deja genyen René Préval, Charles Mirayis ak Patrick Elie.....Se nou ki pou devlope mwayen pou nasyon an devlope estrateji pou chak Ayisyen rive aplike potansyèl li nan avantaj nasyon an "be all we can be".
Jaf
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by Tidodo* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:20 pm
Guy ak Gelin,
Mwen gen yon mesaj m voye yèswa, kom yon reaksyon sou reyinyon moun yo fè an Espayn lan, ki diskite kesyon ròl etranje lan devlòpman Ayiti a lavni. Rezon m ban nou referans sou li, se paske Ayiti poko konnen ki jan pou yo jwe jwèt relasyon entènasyonal sa. Lan mesaj lan, mwen bay egzanp lòt peyi ki jan yo trete afè sa.
Guy, mwen pa kwè egzanp, ou bay pou Ayiti swiv lan, posib lan epòk nou ye la. Globalizasyon an la pou l rete, e alavni gen mèm posibilite pou tout ti peyi Karayib yo vinn fè yon sèl tankou Leròp ap fè kounye a. E Leròp poko finn entegre. Mwen prevwa ke alavni, ya p vinn fè yon sèl peyi, mèm sou pwendevi politik. Sepandan, nou, Ayisyen, dwe aprann jwe jwèt entènasyonal lan dabò, pou nou ka pa viktim tout tan. Yon pi bon egzanp se Dominikani, malgre ke yo fenk kòmanse jwe jwèt la e yo poko maton ladan l. Men, plis tan ke nou fè san nou pa aprann jwe jwèt lan, lòt peyi, piti kou gran, ap manje manje-midi nou (they are eating our lunch).
J-M.
http://www.winterludes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5134
Mwen gen yon mesaj m voye yèswa, kom yon reaksyon sou reyinyon moun yo fè an Espayn lan, ki diskite kesyon ròl etranje lan devlòpman Ayiti a lavni. Rezon m ban nou referans sou li, se paske Ayiti poko konnen ki jan pou yo jwe jwèt relasyon entènasyonal sa. Lan mesaj lan, mwen bay egzanp lòt peyi ki jan yo trete afè sa.
Guy, mwen pa kwè egzanp, ou bay pou Ayiti swiv lan, posib lan epòk nou ye la. Globalizasyon an la pou l rete, e alavni gen mèm posibilite pou tout ti peyi Karayib yo vinn fè yon sèl tankou Leròp ap fè kounye a. E Leròp poko finn entegre. Mwen prevwa ke alavni, ya p vinn fè yon sèl peyi, mèm sou pwendevi politik. Sepandan, nou, Ayisyen, dwe aprann jwe jwèt entènasyonal lan dabò, pou nou ka pa viktim tout tan. Yon pi bon egzanp se Dominikani, malgre ke yo fenk kòmanse jwe jwèt la e yo poko maton ladan l. Men, plis tan ke nou fè san nou pa aprann jwe jwèt lan, lòt peyi, piti kou gran, ap manje manje-midi nou (they are eating our lunch).
J-M.
http://www.winterludes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5134
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by Tidodo* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:35 pm
Jafrikayiti wrote:Fraz sa a bay enpresyon eksplwatasyon an fèt paske lidèchip politik entèlijan an pa janm pwente tèt li ditou. Okontrè, mwen kwè atravè listwa peyi nou, nou remake plizyè efò ki fèt pou devlope lidèchip entèlijan sa a, e chak fwa lennmi an envesti pou li pete fyèl li nan ze.
Lan dènye analiz listwa an, sa ki ènpòtan se rezilta, men nonpa efò ki fèt, malgre ke gen de fwa ou ka konsidere efò ki fèt pou bay yon meyè pèfòmans alavni. Rezon an, se paske gen konpetisyon. Rezilta lidè nou yo sè ke nou, Ayiti, kote nou ye jodiya. Si nou bezwen chanje l, ilfoke nou fè bagay yo yon jan ki diferan de jan nou te konn fè yo avan. Menm si ou gade sak pase an Ayity lan di dènye lane kisot pase yo, wa p wè ke gen diferans ant yon lidè ki kap jwe jwèt lan pou l siviv mèm lè li difisil, e yon lòt ki jis pèdi lan menm kondisyon yo,san l pa konnen sak pase an.
Sa Leonel di an se la reyalite li ye. Nou ka pa renmen l, men se reyalite li ye kanmèm. Si ou vle fè chanjman, premye bagay pou fè se aprann ki sa reyalite an ye.
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by guysanto* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:11 pm
"Ayisyen pa janm gen lidèchip politik entelijan pou yo mete okenn fren nan eksplwatasyon peyi a".
Wi, Jafrikayiti, mwen kapab soutni tèz sa, lò mwen gen tan pou mwen devlope li.
Jaf, "entelijans" pa vle di "bèl entansyon". Ou pale m de Preval ak Aristide. Sèl bagay mwen kab di, sè ke mwen swete Preval pral mete plis gason sou li pase jan sa te pase premye fwa a. Sa rantre nan entelijans lan tou, dapre konsepsyon pa m de mo sa. Petèt se de sa nou merite diskite.
Wi, nou bezwen yon lidè tankou Fidel Castro, men sa pa vle di fòk nou adopte yon sistèm kominis pou sa. Men sa vle di li trase yon bèl egzanp nan devlòpman imanitè pèp li. Fòk nou kapab pran leson sou lidèchip li trase a. E wi fout, nou pa janm genyen yon lidè kon sa. Aristide te mèt te "entelijan", li pa te janm montre "konviksyon" tout bon vre nan tout sa li tap di yo. Li pa te goumen ak tout nanm li pou li enplemante yo. Fòs konviksyon sa rantre nan konsepsyon "entelijans politik" la tou. Nou pa kab toujou ap lonje dwèt sou moun ki pa ban nou chans, paske yo pap janm ban nou chans lan menm. Se nou ki pou debwouye nou pou nou pran li. Ban m egzanp kote lidè nou yo te fè sa tout bon, souple.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide te bay nèg yo dènye tranch trant milyon dola pou peye aryere sou dèt, si li te kwè nan diskou li yo tout bon vre.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide fè akò ak gouvènman dominiken sou do peyizan Maribahoux yo si li te kwè nan dislou li yo tout bon vre.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide lage sekirite li nan men mèsenè meriken pandan lap denonse enperyalis ameriken. Ni pou li te peye yon pakèt blan "milyon ven" (millions and millions of dollars) pou fè travay pou li ke Ayisyen te kab fè tou si li te vrèman gen volonte pou li ba yo yon chans fè sa pou li.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Preval tann Aristide kòm senp sitwayen apwouve ou rejte anpil desisyon leta, pandan li te Prezidan de 1995 a lan 2000.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou kite ni Preval ni Aristide derefize denonse Dominiken yo byen fò a chak fwa yo touye Ayisyen nan Dominikani e mobilize pèp la pou yo mete yon ola nan abi sa yo.
Map rete la. Men ou konprann byen kote mwen vle ale. Pa vin di m se blan yo ki pa janm ban nou chans. Kote egzanp entelijans lidè nou yo? Tonè kraze mwen, nou poko gen menm yon pwelyèm nan entelijans Fidel Castro te egzèse nan konba li kont eksplwatasyon enperyalis toujou vle egzèse kont pèp li a. Li manje mizè pou sa, men yo pa janm rive touye li, e se pa "pa aksidan".
Nou pa ka rete viv nan rèv toujou. "Bèl entansyon" pa sinonim ak entelijans politik.
Wi, Jafrikayiti, mwen kapab soutni tèz sa, lò mwen gen tan pou mwen devlope li.
Jaf, "entelijans" pa vle di "bèl entansyon". Ou pale m de Preval ak Aristide. Sèl bagay mwen kab di, sè ke mwen swete Preval pral mete plis gason sou li pase jan sa te pase premye fwa a. Sa rantre nan entelijans lan tou, dapre konsepsyon pa m de mo sa. Petèt se de sa nou merite diskite.
Wi, nou bezwen yon lidè tankou Fidel Castro, men sa pa vle di fòk nou adopte yon sistèm kominis pou sa. Men sa vle di li trase yon bèl egzanp nan devlòpman imanitè pèp li. Fòk nou kapab pran leson sou lidèchip li trase a. E wi fout, nou pa janm genyen yon lidè kon sa. Aristide te mèt te "entelijan", li pa te janm montre "konviksyon" tout bon vre nan tout sa li tap di yo. Li pa te goumen ak tout nanm li pou li enplemante yo. Fòs konviksyon sa rantre nan konsepsyon "entelijans politik" la tou. Nou pa kab toujou ap lonje dwèt sou moun ki pa ban nou chans, paske yo pap janm ban nou chans lan menm. Se nou ki pou debwouye nou pou nou pran li. Ban m egzanp kote lidè nou yo te fè sa tout bon, souple.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide te bay nèg yo dènye tranch trant milyon dola pou peye aryere sou dèt, si li te kwè nan diskou li yo tout bon vre.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide fè akò ak gouvènman dominiken sou do peyizan Maribahoux yo si li te kwè nan dislou li yo tout bon vre.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Aristide lage sekirite li nan men mèsenè meriken pandan lap denonse enperyalis ameriken. Ni pou li te peye yon pakèt blan "milyon ven" (millions and millions of dollars) pou fè travay pou li ke Ayisyen te kab fè tou si li te vrèman gen volonte pou li ba yo yon chans fè sa pou li.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou fè Preval tann Aristide kòm senp sitwayen apwouve ou rejte anpil desisyon leta, pandan li te Prezidan de 1995 a lan 2000.
Wi, nan pwen djab ki ta pou kite ni Preval ni Aristide derefize denonse Dominiken yo byen fò a chak fwa yo touye Ayisyen nan Dominikani e mobilize pèp la pou yo mete yon ola nan abi sa yo.
Map rete la. Men ou konprann byen kote mwen vle ale. Pa vin di m se blan yo ki pa janm ban nou chans. Kote egzanp entelijans lidè nou yo? Tonè kraze mwen, nou poko gen menm yon pwelyèm nan entelijans Fidel Castro te egzèse nan konba li kont eksplwatasyon enperyalis toujou vle egzèse kont pèp li a. Li manje mizè pou sa, men yo pa janm rive touye li, e se pa "pa aksidan".
Nou pa ka rete viv nan rèv toujou. "Bèl entansyon" pa sinonim ak entelijans politik.
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by Leonel Jean-Baptiste* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:49 pm
Jaf ekri,
Eskize m si l deprime w. Gen de fwa, manje on moun konnen gonfle w la, se pa li vreman ki fE l. Kidonk, depresyon w nan gen on lOT catalyst se pa mwen frE. Mwen jis bay on sijesyon tankou tout moun ki vle panse ak reyalite sitiasyon n an Ayiti. Youn nan peyi ki pi pOv sou tE a.
La lwa de la relativite. Map pale de overpopilasyon ki ekziste. Se pa mwen ki la koz. Mwen vle fE nou wE ke nan tout peyi devlope ke m pase. Yo adopte yon sitEm ki vle kontwole popilasyon yo an tan peyi Rich. Men nou ta vle m di ke se blan an ki vle ekstEmine n paske yo rayi nou. Non, m paka fE sa. Ma pale de Rasis, lE se on pwoblEm rasis. Men si bagay yo ekonomik fok nou gen kouraj pou n wE l._
Men mesye, atitid ti krik ti krak, Je demand la pawol sa fok li sispann. Pawol pa on lOt osi enpOtan menm jan ak pa w. Se on pwoblEm pou nou fikse si nou vle aprann e ale alavan. Nou gen apwoch ki divEjan e li pap convEjan paske pa w sipoze pi bon oudimwen pi fE sans, daprE oumenm. Nou renmen fE mastibasyon gramatikal, pou nou kontan de sa nou ekri...
Men gen on reyalite. E se li ki fE jijman final la.
Antouka, banm met van nan vwal mwen. Si nou kontinye konsa, mezanmi mwen pEdi lespwa pou peyi a. Paske, se pa de Prezidan nou pase ki panse ke se yo pi konnen pase tout moun...
Ala ti peyi pa gen chans!
leonel
Se sa ki deranje mwen nan apwòch Leonel yo. Non sèlman misye pa bay sijesyon konkrè pou nou ta mete lidèchip la onivo li ta renmen wè li ye a, men li adopte yon diskou depriman ki pa enspire pèsonn travay nan sans li ta vle a.
Eskize m si l deprime w. Gen de fwa, manje on moun konnen gonfle w la, se pa li vreman ki fE l. Kidonk, depresyon w nan gen on lOT catalyst se pa mwen frE. Mwen jis bay on sijesyon tankou tout moun ki vle panse ak reyalite sitiasyon n an Ayiti. Youn nan peyi ki pi pOv sou tE a.
La lwa de la relativite. Map pale de overpopilasyon ki ekziste. Se pa mwen ki la koz. Mwen vle fE nou wE ke nan tout peyi devlope ke m pase. Yo adopte yon sitEm ki vle kontwole popilasyon yo an tan peyi Rich. Men nou ta vle m di ke se blan an ki vle ekstEmine n paske yo rayi nou. Non, m paka fE sa. Ma pale de Rasis, lE se on pwoblEm rasis. Men si bagay yo ekonomik fok nou gen kouraj pou n wE l._
Men mesye, atitid ti krik ti krak, Je demand la pawol sa fok li sispann. Pawol pa on lOt osi enpOtan menm jan ak pa w. Se on pwoblEm pou nou fikse si nou vle aprann e ale alavan. Nou gen apwoch ki divEjan e li pap convEjan paske pa w sipoze pi bon oudimwen pi fE sans, daprE oumenm. Nou renmen fE mastibasyon gramatikal, pou nou kontan de sa nou ekri...
Men gen on reyalite. E se li ki fE jijman final la.
Antouka, banm met van nan vwal mwen. Si nou kontinye konsa, mezanmi mwen pEdi lespwa pou peyi a. Paske, se pa de Prezidan nou pase ki panse ke se yo pi konnen pase tout moun...
Ala ti peyi pa gen chans!
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by guysanto* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:13 pm
Tidodo wrote:Globalizasyon an la pou l rete, e alavni gen mèm posibilite pou tout ti peyi Karayib yo vinn fè yon sèl tankou Leròp ap fè kounye a. E Leròp poko finn entegre. Mwen prevwa ke alavni, ya p vinn fè yon sèl peyi, mèm sou pwendevi politik.
Mwen pa kwè nan sa ditou ditou. Yo gen dwa fè mache komen, men vizyon politik sa pap janm reyalize, ni pou Karayib la, ni pou Lewòp, ni pou Lamerik. ni pou Lafrik, elatriye.
Antouka, sa se yon sijè ki merite devlope separeman, se pa na liyn sa. Tidodo, annou retounen sou li yon lòt fwa.
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by jafrikayiti* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:51 pm
Yon kesyon Guy. Lidèchip entèlijan ou ap pale a, èske se YON grenn moun ki gen responsablite egzèse li pandan li prezidan. Oudimwens se yon jenerasyon ki gen tout kalite lidè k ap aji, yo chak nan domèn konpetans yo?
Mwenmenm, mwen twouve li twò fasil pou nèg ki pa janm asime okenn responsablite politik nan peyi d Ayiti ap voye wòch sou sila yo ki te rantre nan dlo epi ki te naje jan yo kapab pou yo mennen bak peyi a, jan yomenm yo te konsevwa ki te pi bon an.
Yon moun pa bezwen majisyen pou ou remake ki jan ni sou gouvènman Aristide yo, ni sou gouvènman Préval lan, lidèchip politik peyi a te kase dan li devan anpil defi, tankou sila yo ou site pi wo a. Mwenmenm tou mwen gen lide mwen sou kisa ki te ka fèt pi byen - si sete mwenmenm ki t ap fè. Paregzanp, mwenmenm depi 1999 mwen t ap mande Prezidan Préval pou li soulve koze ranson 150 milyon fran lò a. Yon lòt pami nou gen dwa panse limenm koze sa a pa dwe janm poze ditou, ni jodi, ni demen. Men, tout sa se analiz k ap fèt sou sa nou ta fè si se te noumenm ki te ka.
Nan ane 1995 Prezidan Aristide pran inisyativ pou li retabli relasyon diplomatik ak Kiba. Gen moun ki te aplodi. Gen moun ki te wè se yon erè. Sa se jijman pa yo. Limenm, kòm lidè, li te pran yon desizyon.
Pandan peryòd Prezidan Préval pase opouvwa a, li envesti anpil nan agrikilti ak enfrastrikti. Gen moun ki pa kontan jan li te fè sa. Gen moun ki te kontan. Limenm, kòm lidè, sete vizyon pa li ke li te aplike.
Konsa tou, gen tout desizyon ou jije negativ pi wo a. Tout sa fè pati rezilta mesye yo.
Si m ap jije pèfòmans yo, epi mwen mansyone nan kolonn negatif lan dividal lajan Aristide aksepte peye blan an kòm enterè sou lajan prete peyi a pa t janm resevwa vre, fòk mwen jis ase pou mwen mete nan kolonn pozitif lan bèl kowoperasyon Kiba-Ayiti ki pran chè nan peyi a depi relasyon diplomatik retabli ant 2 peyi yo.
Epi tou, koze lidèchip n ap pale la a, se pa nan jiwon palè nasyonal sèlman li chita. Nan Primati, nou te wè pèfòmans diferan Premye minis. Smark Michel pa t enpresyone mwen. Men gen lòt moun ki ka site sa li te fè ki te valab. Jacques Edouard Alexis se yon nonm ki omwens te konn kanpe kin lè lonè peyi a menase anba bouch diplomat ki konfonn tèt yo ak gouvènè kolonyal....elatriye...
Ou di se rezilta ki konte, se pa "bèl entansyon". M ap mande mwen nan sikonstans sa a, si nou ap janm jwenn moun ki vle travay pou ede kuit manje a. Si se laviktwa sèlman nou rekonèt, nou pral tonbe bat bravo pou tout piyajè ki anrichi tèt yo nan move kondisyon.
Èske se pa lojik sa a jistman ki lakòz listwa kontinye pale de Etazini kòm premye Demokrasi nan Lamerik....tandiske jouk rive nan ane 1862 se yon sistèm esklavajis ki t ap boloze nan peyi sa a.
Pou mwen fini, lidèchip entèlijan n ap pale a, nou chak nou gen kontribisyon pa nou pou nou pote ladan li tou. Paske se pa Prezidan ak premyeminis sèlman ki lidè. Kidonk, rezilta n ap chèche a, se nan ponyèt nou li chita tou. Ni ou, ni mwen.
Mwenmenm, mwen twouve li twò fasil pou nèg ki pa janm asime okenn responsablite politik nan peyi d Ayiti ap voye wòch sou sila yo ki te rantre nan dlo epi ki te naje jan yo kapab pou yo mennen bak peyi a, jan yomenm yo te konsevwa ki te pi bon an.
Yon moun pa bezwen majisyen pou ou remake ki jan ni sou gouvènman Aristide yo, ni sou gouvènman Préval lan, lidèchip politik peyi a te kase dan li devan anpil defi, tankou sila yo ou site pi wo a. Mwenmenm tou mwen gen lide mwen sou kisa ki te ka fèt pi byen - si sete mwenmenm ki t ap fè. Paregzanp, mwenmenm depi 1999 mwen t ap mande Prezidan Préval pou li soulve koze ranson 150 milyon fran lò a. Yon lòt pami nou gen dwa panse limenm koze sa a pa dwe janm poze ditou, ni jodi, ni demen. Men, tout sa se analiz k ap fèt sou sa nou ta fè si se te noumenm ki te ka.
Nan ane 1995 Prezidan Aristide pran inisyativ pou li retabli relasyon diplomatik ak Kiba. Gen moun ki te aplodi. Gen moun ki te wè se yon erè. Sa se jijman pa yo. Limenm, kòm lidè, li te pran yon desizyon.
Pandan peryòd Prezidan Préval pase opouvwa a, li envesti anpil nan agrikilti ak enfrastrikti. Gen moun ki pa kontan jan li te fè sa. Gen moun ki te kontan. Limenm, kòm lidè, sete vizyon pa li ke li te aplike.
Konsa tou, gen tout desizyon ou jije negativ pi wo a. Tout sa fè pati rezilta mesye yo.
Si m ap jije pèfòmans yo, epi mwen mansyone nan kolonn negatif lan dividal lajan Aristide aksepte peye blan an kòm enterè sou lajan prete peyi a pa t janm resevwa vre, fòk mwen jis ase pou mwen mete nan kolonn pozitif lan bèl kowoperasyon Kiba-Ayiti ki pran chè nan peyi a depi relasyon diplomatik retabli ant 2 peyi yo.
Epi tou, koze lidèchip n ap pale la a, se pa nan jiwon palè nasyonal sèlman li chita. Nan Primati, nou te wè pèfòmans diferan Premye minis. Smark Michel pa t enpresyone mwen. Men gen lòt moun ki ka site sa li te fè ki te valab. Jacques Edouard Alexis se yon nonm ki omwens te konn kanpe kin lè lonè peyi a menase anba bouch diplomat ki konfonn tèt yo ak gouvènè kolonyal....elatriye...
Ou di se rezilta ki konte, se pa "bèl entansyon". M ap mande mwen nan sikonstans sa a, si nou ap janm jwenn moun ki vle travay pou ede kuit manje a. Si se laviktwa sèlman nou rekonèt, nou pral tonbe bat bravo pou tout piyajè ki anrichi tèt yo nan move kondisyon.
Èske se pa lojik sa a jistman ki lakòz listwa kontinye pale de Etazini kòm premye Demokrasi nan Lamerik....tandiske jouk rive nan ane 1862 se yon sistèm esklavajis ki t ap boloze nan peyi sa a.
Pou mwen fini, lidèchip entèlijan n ap pale a, nou chak nou gen kontribisyon pa nou pou nou pote ladan li tou. Paske se pa Prezidan ak premyeminis sèlman ki lidè. Kidonk, rezilta n ap chèche a, se nan ponyèt nou li chita tou. Ni ou, ni mwen.
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by Gelin* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:08 pm
Mwen panse ke Ayiti bezwen youn oubyen plizyè lidè ki konnen lwa peyi a, ki respekte lwa peyi a, ki fè moun konnen lwa peyi a e ki ankouraje moun respekte lwa peyi a. Lidè sa pa bezwen ni sanble ni pale menmjan ak okenn lòt lidè. Li dwe sanble ak pwòp tèt li anba lalwa peyi dayiti.
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by guysanto* » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:12 pm
Jaf, pou mwen ou pase sou kote pwen mwen soulve yo, paske mwen pa te janm di ke lidèchip rete sèlman nan men yon prezidan ou yon premye minis. Pwen mwen tap fè a sè ke ou pa kab rete nan modi van tanpèt pandan ke ou pa pran dispozisyon pou ou pwoteje kay ou pou lò van tanpèt la pase a, paske vle pa vle lap pase kan menm. Ankò in fwa, mwen pa te janm di ke responsabilite sa, se responsabilite yon grenn moun li te ye. Mwen pa te chita nan dyalektik sa. Men, kòm ou di pi wo a: "Gen moun ki pa kontan jan li te fè sa. Gen moun ki te kontan. Limenm, kòm lidè, sete vizyon pa li ke li te aplike", ou kab wè tou ke moun ki alatèt la gen yon wòl fondamantal li jwe nan evolisyon bagay yo tou. E lò yon moun rive nan pozisyon sa, ke pèsonn pa fèt pou pran pou jwèt, fòk nou kapab di tou lò li fè move kout volan. Byen souvan ou ban mwen enpresyon ke TOUT kritik se pou blan, sètadi fòs enperyalis yo men nou pa fèt pou nou janm pale de fayit dirijan nou yo depi se nou ki te chwazi yo. Si yon lidè gen dwa pran desizyon nan non pèp la, si li gen dwa aplike vizyon li jan ou di li a, e byen fòk nou kapab rele anmwe tou lò li fè yon bagay ki egzakteman lekontrè de vizyon ke li te mache vann lan. Sa pa vle di ditou ke nou kwè yo enkapab. Mwen kwè se yon gwo feblès lò nou refize pale, di ki sa ki pa bon nan men moun pèp la mete nan pouvwa. Petèt ou pa reyalize sa, Jaf, men kritik ou yo toujou ale nan yon sèl sans. Se toujou blan yo ak popetwèl blan yo ou kritike. Mwen panse anpil nan kritik sa yo valab, men ou sètoblije fokis tou sou pèfòmans moun ki sou pouvwa a tou. Lò gen move kout volan ki fèt (se pa ditou yon kesyon jan ou di "si se te mwen, men sa mwen ta fè"), fòk nou reyaji yon fason pou yo konnen "fwa sa a, se pa blan an ki an kòz non, se avèk oumenm nou an afè".
Se pa tout moun ki kapab ni politisyen, ni chèf deta. Mwen pa janm chwazi nan vi mwen pou mwen ni politisyen àlewè pou chèf deta. Ou te mèt chache nan tout sa mwen ekri, ou pap wè mwen di, jan ou sot dekri li a, kote mwen di "si se te mwen, men sa mwen ta fè". Men si w ap analize ki sa ki bon e ki sa ki pa bon, amwens ke ou pa kwè ditou nan fè evalyasyon sa yo, ou pa kab rete tout tan nan bay menm moun yo move kanè tout tan e menm moun yo bon kanè tout tan. Si ou fè sa tout tan, apre yon sèten tan, anpil moun pap rete gade ki sa ou mete nan kanè a ankò kèlkeswa sikonstans lan. Paske yo deja konnen ki nòt pwofesè a pral bay.
"Mwenmenm, mwen pa janm asime okenn responsabilite politik nan peyi d Ayiti." Men nan kritik mwen te fè yo, èske se wòch ou wè mwen tap chache voye sou Aristide ak Preval, osnon se egzanp konkrè (pou moun konnen klè sa map pale) mwen tap ba ou kote lidèchip la te manke oubyen fè fayit e se responsabilite pa nou tout pou nou pa kite bagay sa yo rive ankò??? Pou ki sa ou sansib pou nèg yo konsa? Jaf, nou pa kab nan pale kwochi ankò. Fwèt ki kale chen blan an, se li kale chen nwa a tou.
Non, se pa sa mwen di. Mwen di "entelijans" pa vle di "bèl entansyon". Petèt ou pa wè diferans lan nan sa mwen di a ak sa ou di a. Rezilta yo, yo la pou lon tèm. Mwen pa kwè se nan 5 an nap wè yo. Men "entelijans politik" vle di pa tonbe nan tout vye pyèj politik yo pral mete pou ou. "Entelijans poltik" vle di pa bay vòlò yo kle lakay ou. "Entelijans politik" vle di fòk pèp la toujou konprann byen kote ou gad. Nan pwen obedyans avèg ankò, pa okipe sa map fè, paske ou konnen se zafè pa w map regle. "Entelijans politik" vle di koute tout moun, se pa yon ti ekip de "yes, sir" sèlman. "Entelijans politik" vle di pou ou kapab sèvi ak kritik pou ranfòse pozisyon ou e korije rapidman tout move devyasyon ki kòmanse fèt anvan yo mete w nan tchouboum. Yon politisyen pa janm fèt pou l kite kritik dekonstonbre li, sitou si kritik sa fèt ak bon entansyon pou djòb li gen pou li ranpli an.
Mwen pa te janm di "si se te mwen...", men si mwen pa kab di ki desizyon mwen wè ki te pran ki pa te bon pou pèp ayisyen an, mwen pa wè ke se yon sèvis map rann pèp la. Bagay yo pa an blan e nwa jan ou vle dekri yo a, Jaf. Fòk nou apwoche pwoblèm lidèchip politik la nan tout konpleksite li. Oubyen nou pa pale de li ditou.
Se pa tout moun ki kapab ni politisyen, ni chèf deta. Mwen pa janm chwazi nan vi mwen pou mwen ni politisyen àlewè pou chèf deta. Ou te mèt chache nan tout sa mwen ekri, ou pap wè mwen di, jan ou sot dekri li a, kote mwen di "si se te mwen, men sa mwen ta fè". Men si w ap analize ki sa ki bon e ki sa ki pa bon, amwens ke ou pa kwè ditou nan fè evalyasyon sa yo, ou pa kab rete tout tan nan bay menm moun yo move kanè tout tan e menm moun yo bon kanè tout tan. Si ou fè sa tout tan, apre yon sèten tan, anpil moun pap rete gade ki sa ou mete nan kanè a ankò kèlkeswa sikonstans lan. Paske yo deja konnen ki nòt pwofesè a pral bay.
Jafrikayiti wrote:Mwenmenm, mwen twouve li twò fasil pou nèg ki pa janm asime okenn responsablite politik nan peyi d Ayiti ap voye wòch sou sila yo ki te rantre nan dlo epi ki te naje jan yo kapab pou yo mennen bak peyi a, jan yomenm yo te konsevwa ki te pi bon an.
"Mwenmenm, mwen pa janm asime okenn responsabilite politik nan peyi d Ayiti." Men nan kritik mwen te fè yo, èske se wòch ou wè mwen tap chache voye sou Aristide ak Preval, osnon se egzanp konkrè (pou moun konnen klè sa map pale) mwen tap ba ou kote lidèchip la te manke oubyen fè fayit e se responsabilite pa nou tout pou nou pa kite bagay sa yo rive ankò??? Pou ki sa ou sansib pou nèg yo konsa? Jaf, nou pa kab nan pale kwochi ankò. Fwèt ki kale chen blan an, se li kale chen nwa a tou.
Jafrikayiti wrote:Ou di se rezilta ki konte, se pa "bèl entansyon".
Non, se pa sa mwen di. Mwen di "entelijans" pa vle di "bèl entansyon". Petèt ou pa wè diferans lan nan sa mwen di a ak sa ou di a. Rezilta yo, yo la pou lon tèm. Mwen pa kwè se nan 5 an nap wè yo. Men "entelijans politik" vle di pa tonbe nan tout vye pyèj politik yo pral mete pou ou. "Entelijans poltik" vle di pa bay vòlò yo kle lakay ou. "Entelijans politik" vle di fòk pèp la toujou konprann byen kote ou gad. Nan pwen obedyans avèg ankò, pa okipe sa map fè, paske ou konnen se zafè pa w map regle. "Entelijans politik" vle di koute tout moun, se pa yon ti ekip de "yes, sir" sèlman. "Entelijans politik" vle di pou ou kapab sèvi ak kritik pou ranfòse pozisyon ou e korije rapidman tout move devyasyon ki kòmanse fèt anvan yo mete w nan tchouboum. Yon politisyen pa janm fèt pou l kite kritik dekonstonbre li, sitou si kritik sa fèt ak bon entansyon pou djòb li gen pou li ranpli an.
Mwen pa te janm di "si se te mwen...", men si mwen pa kab di ki desizyon mwen wè ki te pran ki pa te bon pou pèp ayisyen an, mwen pa wè ke se yon sèvis map rann pèp la. Bagay yo pa an blan e nwa jan ou vle dekri yo a, Jaf. Fòk nou apwoche pwoblèm lidèchip politik la nan tout konpleksite li. Oubyen nou pa pale de li ditou.
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by jafrikayiti* » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:04 pm
Guy, ou te pale de "entèlijans politik", Jean-Marie te pale de rezilta. Mwen melanje 2 sitasyon nou yo paske lide yo te ale nan menm sans lan.
Wi, mwen fokis sitou sou atak kolon yo ap fè pou destabilize sosyete nou an, paske nan analiz pa mwen se fòs sa a ki plis enfliyanse rezilta n ap plede obsève nan peyi a depi plizyè deseni. Pa gen Guy Philippe ak Chamblain san "Tant Siya"!
Erzili deja fè diskisyon sa a sou fowòm nan lè li pale de kategori zewo epi kategori 1. Se pa janm youn osnon lòt. Se toujou ansanm de salopri sa yo mache pou yo fè dega. Kriminèl Ayisyen + Kriminèl je vèt = DOUB KRIMINÈL !
Mwen pa janm di lidè nou yo (sa pèp Ayisyen chwazi yo - pa Uncle Tom Washington enpoze yo non!) pa merite kritik. Okontrè!
Si ou gade lèt tou louvri mwen te ekri Prezidan Aristide lan, ou va wè ladan li, egzakteman kijan mwen konsevwa sijè sa a.
http://www.haiti-progres.com/2002/sm021 ... 12-25.html
Ladan l, mwen te kritike Prezidan an kare bare daprèzavwa li te kenbe yon apwòch molas devan BID, OEA elatriye. Mwen te konpare desizyon li pran pou li peye Alliance Française ansanm ak lòt vòlè ki te egzije dedomajman apre repetisyon koudeta 17 desanm 2001 an, ak konpòtman Jean-Pierre Boyer ki te aksepte bat ba devan Charles X. Men - e se la a - tout diferans lan ye - Mwen kwè si mwen te gen dwa kritike Prezidan an, mwen te gen devwa kore jefò mwen kwè li ka fè pou li defann dwa granmoun nasyon an. Se poutèt sa, mwen p at fèmen lèt la san mwen pa bay kèk sijesyon epi yon mesaj klè ke anfas lennmi nasyon an, Prezidan peyi natif natal mwen an kapab konnen gen moun, mwenmenm pami yo, k ap kanpe pou kore aksyon pozitif li va antreprann pou defann Ayiti.
Chak Prezidan, chak premye minis, chak lidè nan peyi a ap toujou pran bon epi move desisyon nan kad egzèsis fonksyon yo. Men, jounen jodi a, si yon bann ipokrit ap pale de jounen entènasyonal fanm nan peyi d Ayiti, fòk nou ka admèt se paske nan yon gouvènman Lavalas pèp Ayisyen te chwazi - pa blan an - kèk fanm ak gason te pran desizyon kreye yon Ministè Fanm, transfòme yon barak militè fè li tounen espas pou nasyon an korije malsite li te konn fè kont majorite popilasyon an (fanm).
Fòk nou ka mete nan balans lan lefèt ke yon fakilte medsin “Inivèsite Lapè” ke menm Prezidan Aristide ki gen bon do a, te pran inisyativ mete kanpe, jounen jodi a se sòlda MINUSTAH k ap boloze ak gwo zam fann fwa nan men yo – toutpatou nan sal klas yo. Kidonk, si pa gen “lidè” ki fè anyn pou MINUSTAH degèpi kite inivèsite a, bay etidyan Ayisyen espas pou yo devlope konesans yo….se pa menm Aristide – bon do a - ki responsab sa ankò, mezanmi !.
Kidonk, si mwen ensiste pou mwen pa chita ap votye wòch sou Aristide ak Préval menm jan lamòd vle pou tout moun ap fè l la, se paske mwen remake nenpòt vye krim blan an fè nan peyi a, li toujou jwenn AYISYEN ki kanpe pou rasyonalize, jistifye, kase fèy kouvri sa pou blan an. Sou pretèks y ap fè “devil’s advocate”.
Mwen dakò pou nou kritike tèt kale san rezèv. Men jiskaprezan, mwenmenm mwen remake bagay yo pa balanse. Lidè Ayisyen ki lejitim yo ap pran baf nan men ni Laprès blan an, ni politisyen blan an, ni laprès Ayisyen an, ni piblik Ayisyen an. Tandiske, dyab la limenm chaje ak avoka tout plim tout plimaj k ap defann kòz li. Se konsa mwen wè l. Pètèt, mwen goche nan je dwat. Men se konsa linèt mwen banmwen l jiskaprezan.
Jaf
Wi, mwen fokis sitou sou atak kolon yo ap fè pou destabilize sosyete nou an, paske nan analiz pa mwen se fòs sa a ki plis enfliyanse rezilta n ap plede obsève nan peyi a depi plizyè deseni. Pa gen Guy Philippe ak Chamblain san "Tant Siya"!
Erzili deja fè diskisyon sa a sou fowòm nan lè li pale de kategori zewo epi kategori 1. Se pa janm youn osnon lòt. Se toujou ansanm de salopri sa yo mache pou yo fè dega. Kriminèl Ayisyen + Kriminèl je vèt = DOUB KRIMINÈL !
Mwen pa janm di lidè nou yo (sa pèp Ayisyen chwazi yo - pa Uncle Tom Washington enpoze yo non!) pa merite kritik. Okontrè!
Si ou gade lèt tou louvri mwen te ekri Prezidan Aristide lan, ou va wè ladan li, egzakteman kijan mwen konsevwa sijè sa a.
http://www.haiti-progres.com/2002/sm021 ... 12-25.html
Ladan l, mwen te kritike Prezidan an kare bare daprèzavwa li te kenbe yon apwòch molas devan BID, OEA elatriye. Mwen te konpare desizyon li pran pou li peye Alliance Française ansanm ak lòt vòlè ki te egzije dedomajman apre repetisyon koudeta 17 desanm 2001 an, ak konpòtman Jean-Pierre Boyer ki te aksepte bat ba devan Charles X. Men - e se la a - tout diferans lan ye - Mwen kwè si mwen te gen dwa kritike Prezidan an, mwen te gen devwa kore jefò mwen kwè li ka fè pou li defann dwa granmoun nasyon an. Se poutèt sa, mwen p at fèmen lèt la san mwen pa bay kèk sijesyon epi yon mesaj klè ke anfas lennmi nasyon an, Prezidan peyi natif natal mwen an kapab konnen gen moun, mwenmenm pami yo, k ap kanpe pou kore aksyon pozitif li va antreprann pou defann Ayiti.
Chak Prezidan, chak premye minis, chak lidè nan peyi a ap toujou pran bon epi move desisyon nan kad egzèsis fonksyon yo. Men, jounen jodi a, si yon bann ipokrit ap pale de jounen entènasyonal fanm nan peyi d Ayiti, fòk nou ka admèt se paske nan yon gouvènman Lavalas pèp Ayisyen te chwazi - pa blan an - kèk fanm ak gason te pran desizyon kreye yon Ministè Fanm, transfòme yon barak militè fè li tounen espas pou nasyon an korije malsite li te konn fè kont majorite popilasyon an (fanm).
Fòk nou ka mete nan balans lan lefèt ke yon fakilte medsin “Inivèsite Lapè” ke menm Prezidan Aristide ki gen bon do a, te pran inisyativ mete kanpe, jounen jodi a se sòlda MINUSTAH k ap boloze ak gwo zam fann fwa nan men yo – toutpatou nan sal klas yo. Kidonk, si pa gen “lidè” ki fè anyn pou MINUSTAH degèpi kite inivèsite a, bay etidyan Ayisyen espas pou yo devlope konesans yo….se pa menm Aristide – bon do a - ki responsab sa ankò, mezanmi !.
Kidonk, si mwen ensiste pou mwen pa chita ap votye wòch sou Aristide ak Préval menm jan lamòd vle pou tout moun ap fè l la, se paske mwen remake nenpòt vye krim blan an fè nan peyi a, li toujou jwenn AYISYEN ki kanpe pou rasyonalize, jistifye, kase fèy kouvri sa pou blan an. Sou pretèks y ap fè “devil’s advocate”.
Mwen dakò pou nou kritike tèt kale san rezèv. Men jiskaprezan, mwenmenm mwen remake bagay yo pa balanse. Lidè Ayisyen ki lejitim yo ap pran baf nan men ni Laprès blan an, ni politisyen blan an, ni laprès Ayisyen an, ni piblik Ayisyen an. Tandiske, dyab la limenm chaje ak avoka tout plim tout plimaj k ap defann kòz li. Se konsa mwen wè l. Pètèt, mwen goche nan je dwat. Men se konsa linèt mwen banmwen l jiskaprezan.
Jaf
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by guysanto* » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:27 pm
Jaf, pandan wap fokis "sou atak kolon yo ap fè pou destabilize sosyete nou an", konprann byen gen lòt moun ki kapab e ki dwe fokis sou responsabilite dirijan ayisyen yo tou. Si wap di se voye nap voye wòch (yon espresyon ki pa gen okenn lòt fonksyon ke pote prejidis sou analiz nou yo), nou gen dwa di tou se wòch wap voye, men mwen pito pa di l. Paske si mwen ta fè sa, nou ta sètènman blije tonbe nan mezire kiyès ki voye wòch pi lwen. Yon egzèsis ki initil!
Mwen pa kwè sa mwen di ak sa Jean-Marie di merite melanje, paske mwen pa chache melanje koze pa w ak koze lòt moun. Mwen pa chache fè tout abstraksyon sa yo, paske lò mwen ba yon moun yon repons, mwen chache rete nan sa moun lan di an, san m pa ajoute sou li bagay ke li pa di, paske lò sa mwen pa fè ni youn ni lòt la jistis.
Monchè, sa vle di ke ou pa dakò.
Ideally, all facets of the truth should be exposed all at once. If they are not, then the answer is not to suppress any critique anywhere it is valid. The answer lies in multiplying our efforts to expose all hidden facets of Haiti's reality, not in trying to minimize legitimate concerns in order to increase exposure to some favorite point of view.
Trying to limit the debate is too tricky a thing, and ultimately it will not succeed. It can also be self-defeating. Our very best hope is to engage people in dialogue, with the full realization that other people's priorities will never be identical to yours, and therefore we need to consider ALL priorities.
Gen priyorite nan konba anti-enperyalis la. Gen priyorite nan konba anti-rasis mondyal lan. Gen priyorite nan konba pou bon gouvènans lan. Gen priyorite nan mete manje nan lestomak moun ki sanlè mouri grangou ak mizè anvan ou reyisi sove l. Gen lòt priyorite toujou... Konba politik la pa dwe reflete menm modèl ak relijyon sou latè ki yo tout vle fè moun konprann ke se yo sèl sistèm ki veridik oswa ki valab. Paske ou byen plase pou konnen limit (e puisans) relijyon sa yo. Relijyon ak ideyoloji pou mwen se senk kòb ak de gouden. Ann chache travay ansanm olye nou toujou nan chache demontre ke jan nou wè l la, se li sèl ki bon.
Ou site sa ou te ekri Prezidan Aristide la kòm yon egzanp jan nou dwe balanse bagay yo. Bon, annou re-enprime sa ou te ekri yo, paske gen bon bèt ladan l. Kòm se ou ki kite chen an janbe baryè a, ou pa kab tann ke se lò w deside, pou moun nan vwazinaj la kab remake gen yon chen deyò a. Nou regrèt sa pou ou, vye frè. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont koudeta nan peyi a lan menm nivo avèk ou. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont moun po blan ki rasis, moun po nwa ki rasis, moun po jòn ki rasis. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont enperyalis meriken-kanadyen-ewopeyen yo. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont sousou ayisyen kap fè travay pou yo. Annou antann nou souple. Annou diminye nan rijidite apwòch nou... paske lò youn valorize lòt la nan travay lap fè a (olye di se voye lap voye wòch), mwen kwè nou va wè rezilta definitif yo pi bonè pase pi ta.
Mwen pa kwè sa mwen di ak sa Jean-Marie di merite melanje, paske mwen pa chache melanje koze pa w ak koze lòt moun. Mwen pa chache fè tout abstraksyon sa yo, paske lò mwen ba yon moun yon repons, mwen chache rete nan sa moun lan di an, san m pa ajoute sou li bagay ke li pa di, paske lò sa mwen pa fè ni youn ni lòt la jistis.
Jafrikayiti wrote:Mwen dakò pou nou kritike tèt kale san rezèv. Men jiskaprezan...
Monchè, sa vle di ke ou pa dakò.
Ideally, all facets of the truth should be exposed all at once. If they are not, then the answer is not to suppress any critique anywhere it is valid. The answer lies in multiplying our efforts to expose all hidden facets of Haiti's reality, not in trying to minimize legitimate concerns in order to increase exposure to some favorite point of view.
Trying to limit the debate is too tricky a thing, and ultimately it will not succeed. It can also be self-defeating. Our very best hope is to engage people in dialogue, with the full realization that other people's priorities will never be identical to yours, and therefore we need to consider ALL priorities.
Gen priyorite nan konba anti-enperyalis la. Gen priyorite nan konba anti-rasis mondyal lan. Gen priyorite nan konba pou bon gouvènans lan. Gen priyorite nan mete manje nan lestomak moun ki sanlè mouri grangou ak mizè anvan ou reyisi sove l. Gen lòt priyorite toujou... Konba politik la pa dwe reflete menm modèl ak relijyon sou latè ki yo tout vle fè moun konprann ke se yo sèl sistèm ki veridik oswa ki valab. Paske ou byen plase pou konnen limit (e puisans) relijyon sa yo. Relijyon ak ideyoloji pou mwen se senk kòb ak de gouden. Ann chache travay ansanm olye nou toujou nan chache demontre ke jan nou wè l la, se li sèl ki bon.
Ou site sa ou te ekri Prezidan Aristide la kòm yon egzanp jan nou dwe balanse bagay yo. Bon, annou re-enprime sa ou te ekri yo, paske gen bon bèt ladan l. Kòm se ou ki kite chen an janbe baryè a, ou pa kab tann ke se lò w deside, pou moun nan vwazinaj la kab remake gen yon chen deyò a. Nou regrèt sa pou ou, vye frè. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont koudeta nan peyi a lan menm nivo avèk ou. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont moun po blan ki rasis, moun po nwa ki rasis, moun po jòn ki rasis. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont enperyalis meriken-kanadyen-ewopeyen yo. Sa pa vle di nou pa kont sousou ayisyen kap fè travay pou yo. Annou antann nou souple. Annou diminye nan rijidite apwòch nou... paske lò youn valorize lòt la nan travay lap fè a (olye di se voye lap voye wòch), mwen kwè nou va wè rezilta definitif yo pi bonè pase pi ta.
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by guysanto* » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:41 pm
Kidonk, jan mwen te di men tèks ou te fè referans sou li an, e nou gen dwa diskite li tèt kale jan nou vle.
Open Letter to President Aristide from a Son of Haiti
Ottawa, Canada, December 16, 2002
Brother President,
Outraged by the nonsensical and very dangerous political situation our people has been pushed into over the last decade, I write this urgent letter to you with the hope that it will contribute positively to our people's righteous struggle for uncompromising freedom, true justice and sustainable peace.
Brother president, as you so aptly mentioned in your latest speeches, the negative forces that are allowed to act out in our country aren't doing so against yourself but against the Haitian people. Therefore, as the duly elected chief representative of the Haitian people, you are presented the following questions for your thoughts and answer and the following recommendations for your analysis - with the ultimate aim of aiding our people's noble struggle.
First the questions:
1) Why have you not conducted a referendum (consulting the Haitian people - the ultimate authority!) to decide whether or not to redo the contested legislative and local elections - but instead caved in to the pressures of foreign forces (U.S., E.U., Canada etc.) and took this path of endless bargaining with obviously ill-intentioned foreigners and the opposition they are illegally, yet so openly sponsoring? Has this "bargaining" path not proven itself to be more dangerous and indeed detrimental to our peoples' noble aspirations?
2) When will you finally decide to stop paying interest on the IDB $150M loan that is still being illegally retained from the Haitian State? Is it not your obligation, as Head of State, to launch legal actions against this out-of-compliance organization?
3) When will your government finally release for the Haitian People's benefit, the FRAPH documents which the U.S. Forces stole and confiscated for over 6 years (1994-2000) in order to remove the names of American CIA agents alleged to have been involved in the coup-related massacres of 1991-1994? Is it not your responsibility, as Chief of State, to ensure the launch of formal legal actions against all criminals and organisations against which the Haitian State holds such seriously incriminating evidence?
4) Under what constitutional authority have you recently taken $ 2.4 M (U.S.) of the people's money to give to the foreign-sponsored opposition parties and the French Institute as per OAS Resolution 822? Aren't you by these actions facilitating more injustice against the Haitian people? How different is this from the 60 million Franc ransom Jean-Pierre Boyer, our former president, accepted to pay to France's zenglendo King Charles X as indemnity to the barbaric French slave-makers whom Dessalines (peace be unto him!) righteously kicked out of our land?
Now the recommendations:
1) Please act on the questions raised above brother President and inform the Haitian People of your actions so we may decide whether and how to support them.
2) Forget about the false promises of AID from the traditional enemies of our people. It is high time we wake up and realize that Santa Clauss is not only a mythical being but a cleverly conceived cover up for smiling thieves. If you need funds to run Haiti, brother President, turn to your People for help. We are not as poor as they say. We have a whole continent full of gold and diamonds. We are all over the globe. We only need to get our act together. Instead of wasting your time with the deceivingly-named World Bank, do call elder Mandela, brother Bill Cosby and sister Maya Angelou. Trust again in your global People's resourcefulness dear brother as you once did.
3) Never accept to negotiate this basic principle: there shall be no foreign occupation troops in the land of Jean-Jacques Dessalines (peace be unto him!) on January 1, 2004. This is not negotiable. We realize the "diplomatic skinheads" are working hard to render this inevitable. They are busy financing violent unrest in the country as they did on the eve of 1915. But you brother President, as Chief of State, must accept to lay your life for your people if necessary but not to let this sacrilege take place. NOT NEGOTIABLE .
Beyond these recommendations dear brother, I can only wish upon you the blessings of our 100 million "beloved" ancestors whose heritage we carry proudly and courageously. I wish upon you the blessings of our Creator, the true God of Imhotep, Malik Shabazz el Shabazz, Albert Einstein, Boukmann, Toussaint Louverture, Dessalines, Sanite Belair, Marijann, Paul Farmer, Kendall Clark, and of the newly born child in Site Solèy, Soweto or Wachington D.C. so that Her wisdom may help you convince our brothers and sisters to come together, as we once did at the sacred site of Bwa Kayiman. Yes, all our brothers and sisters from all political parties, all social classes, all walks of life to come together and solemnly pledge to live or die to defeat this ill-masqueraded neo-colonial slavery once and for all.
Haiti's "Vertières" is indeed, brother President, the cornerstone of worldwide African liberation. See you at home on January 1, 2004 !
Ashe!
Your brother who loves you and forever stands with our People in the struggle,
Jafrikayiti
"Uncompromising Freedom, True Justice and Sustainable Peace - we demand no more, we shall accept no less!"
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Jafrikayiti (Jean Saint-Vil) is author of "Viv Bondye ! Aba Relijyon!", published in 2000. His regular column "KozeNèfTankouZèFre" is published under the Port Haiti.com network (http://www.i-port.net/sd-in-j/ ). He is a recognized Ottawa community radio host (www.chuo.fm and CKCUFM.com). A B.Sc. (Hon. Biology) graduate of the University of Waterloo (Canada), he is a senior Program Officer at the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada (NSERC).
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