Behind-Scenes Pressure Put Préval Over The Top

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Behind-Scenes Pressure Put Préval Over The Top

Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:58 am

Following a tension-filled week, supporters of René Préval celebrated in the streets after he was declared Haiti's president-elect.
BY JOE MOZINGO
jmozingo@MiamiHerald.com

PORT-AU-PRINCE - The tension and burgeoning sense of doom that gripped Haiti this week broke on Thursday with the predawn announcement that René Préval had been elected president. The decision came after Haitian officials met day and night under pressure from foreign diplomats.

Supporters of the quiet 63-year-old agronomist and former president filled the streets soon after the official 3 a.m. announcement, dancing and chanting to the tin warbling of carnaval trumpets.
The news came after a day of closed-door meetings involving Préval, foreign diplomats, the U.S.-backed interim Haitian government and the nation's electoral council, according to Haitians and foreign
ers who participated in the meetings.

Diplomats from the half-dozen countries that give heavy financial and military assistance to Haiti -- and largely funded the $60 million election -- were desperate to find a way to resolve an impasse in the vote-counting that left Préval just short of the outright majority he needed to avert a runoff.

ADDRESSING THE FLAWS
Ambassadors from Brazil and Chile led a push to change the way blank votes were tabulated, something first suggested by U.N. electoral advisors, according to people in the meetings. Canada and France, two countries with long-standing traditional ties to Haiti, initially insisted the council stick to a count that would have forced a runoff, but agreed that significant flaws in the election process would make it impossible to declare the results with precision.

They met with Préval at a U.N. base Monday afternoon, and then flew him
to the National Palace, where President Boniface Alexandre promised to work with the electoral council to resolve the crisis.

On Tuesday morning, as he promised, Préval went on Haitian radio to tell his supporters to remain peaceful while the dispute was hashed out. He said he suspected ``massive fraud.''
That evening, diplomats from the United States, Brazil, Chile, Canada, France and the United Nations met with Préval again. Brazilian Ambassador Paulo Cordeiro de Andrade Pinto offered up the notion of allocating the blank votes to candidates according to the percentage of the votes they had received until then.
'This was the technicians' choice,'' Cordeiro told The Miami Herald.
And the early 2005 electoral decree that laid out the rules of the election was ambiguous, only requiring that the blank votes be included in the total, not explaining how they would be counted.


U.N. advisors, council members and observers agreed that the stunningly high number of blank votes cast -- one out of every 20 votes -- could be a result of poorly trained poll workers dumping unused ballots into ballot boxes.
In a meeting that began Wednesday morning and lasted well past midnight, the council ultimately decided to allocate those blank votes to candidates in proportion to the share of valid votes they received. While this move pumped up everyone's share of the vote, it put Préval over the 50 percent he needed to avoid a runoff. They declared him the winner after 3 a.m.

`TRAGIC EXPERIENCE'
The second-place candidate, 75-year-old former President Leslie Manigat, vented at his estate in the Port-au-Prince suburb of La Plain on Thursday, calling the decision a ''tragic experience for the Haitian people,'' but did not say he would contest the results.
''We are not duped by this Machiave
llian comedy of imposing a winner,'' said Manigat, who had less than 12 percent of the vote before the late-night decision. ``This right to a second round was confiscated by a manipulation of statistics . . . The ones who did it have a grave responsibility.''

POOR PREPARATION
The first round of national elections on Feb. 7 was supposed to be a model of high-tech precision and efficiency for a country accustomed to fraudulent and violent balloting.
Minimizing potential fraud was crucial to calm the highly charged political atmosphere that followed the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004. Washington and other foreign donors said credible elections were the only way to restore democracy to the troubled and desperately impoverished nation.

But poor preparation led to a range of problems that soon brought the tabulation of results to a virtual halt. Out of about two million votes cast, 147,000 either disappeared or wer
e nullified, and 85,290 were blank.

The uncertainty was large enough to muddle whether Préval, who had 48.76 percent with more than 90 percent of polling stations accounted for, had won an outright majority or needed to face a runoff.

Suspicions of fraud deepened when television footage showed hundreds if not thousands of ballots and boxes found at the municipal dump. This set off Préval supporters again, and flaming barricades lit the night.

Haitian interim President Boniface Alexandre implored the nine-member electoral council to resolve the crisis.
''We had to do something,'' said council member Patrick Féquiere. ``We could have just told Préval he got 48.76 percent, but when he contests the results all of this mess is going to come out -- the blank votes, the missing votes.''

On Wednesday, seven members of the council set out to end the crisis. They holed up in a mansion in the hills above Port-au-Prince with Alexandre's chief of staff, th
e Minister of the Interior and the Minister of Justice. They debated various options, from simply throwing the blank votes out to setting a limit to the number of blank votes gathered from any one polling station. By early evening, they had tentatively agreed to distribute the vote pro rata.
The U.N. envoy in Haiti, Juan Gabriel Valdes, and OAS Secretary General Jose Insulza informed Préval.

A FINAL CHECK
But before the council declared Préval the winner, they had to run numerous simulations to make sure issues with the missing votes would not bring him below 50 percent again. The other two members meanwhile joined the meeting.
Finally, well after midnight, eight of the nine members signed an agreement declaring Préval the winner.
Eric Joseph, 30, celebrated with a Prestige beer in front of the National Palace in the afternoon, after three days on the streets in protest.
''We will never
be tired,'' he said. ``For two years we have been suffering. Today is a day of deliverance.''

Gelin_

Re: Behind-Scenes Pressure Put Préval Over The Top

Post by Gelin_ » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:38 am

Krik....!

[quote]...Finally, well after midnight, eight of the nine members signed <u>an agreement declaring Préval the winner.</u>[/quote]

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:54 pm

HLLN reported: [quote]"President Preval was elected by the people of Haiti, not by a "deal" brokered by the international.[/quote]
René Préval had been elected president. Tout moun kon sa!!
Se pa sa map diskite la!!

Sa nap diskite se ke Miami-Herald rapote ke :
[quote]The decision came after Haitian officials met day and night under pressure from foreign diplomats. The news came after a day of closed-door meetings involving Préval, foreign diplomats, the U.S.-backed interim Haitian government and the nation's electoral council, according to Haitians and foreigners who participated in the meetings. Finally, well after midnight, eight of the nine members signed an agreement declaring Préval the winner. [/quote]

No body is contesting Preval being the
winner!

People are concerned about the ability of the CEP to come up with a true and final result.
According to electoral regulations, the CEP should have published the final result.

I don't know if they did officially do it!! Finally, well after midnight, eight of the nine members signed an agreement declaring Préval the winner.

Gwo problem nan se ke yo poko jam ka piblye resilta pousantaj final yo kit a kap di si vreman tap genyen ou deziem tou.

Si sete nou menm ki te nan sitiasyon Manigat, mwen si ke reaksyon nou tap konpletman diferan.
Se sak fe ke li ta myo pou nou fe edikasyon pep la pou nou di yo sak pase.

Sou 2 million vot ke yo konte, gen 147,000 ke yo jwen ki manke. Vot sa yo, apre ou titan, yo vinn jwen yo nan fatra e majorité nan vot sa yo se pou Preval.
Answit, yo vinn jwen 85,290 vot blan ki pa pou peson nan presidans la.

Sa anploye KEP yo fe yo ajoute t
out vot sa yo (sa yo jwen nan fatra e sak te blan) nan denominate kontaj la kidont diminuye pousantaj tout moun e menm Preval.
Bagay sa vinn la koz ke misye pa fruti grinpe monte poul chita anle 50%.
Nove kalkil sa eske se espre ke mesye yo fe, ou byen se mank de experyans kif e sa??

Opinyon pa'm se ke se posib ke se le 2 a la fwa ki fet.
Se sak fe ke yo oblije remet 147,000 vot ke yo te jwen nan fatra bay Preval e res vot blan yo, yo se pare yo (pro rata) mezi pousantaj ou mezi moso pa ou.
Herald wrote: [quote]The council ultimately decided to allocate those blank votes to candidates in proportion to the share of valid votes they received. While this move pumped up everyone's share of the vote, it put Préval over the 50 percent he needed to avoid a runoff. They declared him the winner after 3 a.m.[/quote]
Sa se ou ere gwav paske vot blan se vot blan li pat fet pou al jwen peson!!![/b:ca46f0
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Kalkil sa vin mete Preval ou ti kout pli ro ke li teye avan swa 51%.

Kestyon ke tout mou nap pose : Si nou mete tout vol, ere, inexperians, move kontaj, de kote, eske Preval vreman depase limit 50% ki pou fe'l pa ale nan ou deziem tou si yo pat konte e separe vot blan pro rata avek tout res kandida yo??

Lot kestyon an ke map repete anko se ke si sete Preval ki te nan sitiasyon Manigat, reaksyon nou tap tou a fe diferan. Vre ou pa vre ?

Vot blan sa yo, yo di gen bri kap kouri ke pep la pa al vote blan!!

Se moun intelijan ki te kont eleksyon yo ki se posib ka lage vot blan yo konn sign de protestasyon kont eleksyon yo.

Konsekans malonet sa donk fe Preval manke koule, e ki fe Bazin koule net nan fon group 0% yo.:evil:

Kote ki gen la fimin kap gen dife tout.
Sa se yon nan bagay ke nou kap pran tou an kosiderasyon e ki kap mande pou investi
gasyon fet.

Fok nou kap apran rete dan la legalite de choz pa selman pep la, min tout moun a la rond bade.

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:36 pm

[quote]...Kestyon ke tout mou nap pose : Si nou mete tout vol, ere, inexperians, move kontaj, de kote, eske Preval vreman depase limit 50% ki pou fe'l pa ale nan ou deziem tou si yo pat konte e separe vot blan pro rata avek tout res kandida yo??[/quote]
Michel, ou di " Kesyon ke tout moun ap poze..."? Se pa vre ditou, se pap tout moun kap poze tèt yo kesyon konsa. M sispèk gen moun ki pral fè sèvi enstriman nan men yo pou yo eseye ekri sou papye "yon lòt nouvo kontra sosyal".

Kesyon ke anpil lòt moun ap poze tèt yo se èske Préval pa tap genyen ak 70 % si pat gen koken. Ou wè byen, tout moun pa poze tèt yo menm kesyon......se lavi....

Se sa menm wi yo rele "politik ravèt" la. Yo paka manje manje a, kidonk fòk yo eseye gate l.

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:37 pm

Gelin ekri:[quote]Se sa menm wi yo rele "politik ravèt" la. Yo paka manje manje a, kidonk fòk yo eseye gate l.[/quote]
Gelin mon che mwen tande politik ravet sa deja e mwen pa konnin pou ki yes ou voye point sa.
Men sepandan, mwen mande yon neg ki fe syans sosyal e politik sa li panse de komante e mesaj sa ke ou pep fe a ou klas boujwas:
If we, the people can not eat, No body will!

He replied that this is a gutsy statement that translates that the people would rather destroy the country if the majority can not eat.

But they have to be ready to pay for the consequences because this could be a national suicide from bottom up.

Let say if they spoil the food nobody will eat, however the poor will be the first to die of starvation, because their stomach is on empty already,
the middleclass half full
,
and the bourgeoisie full tank.

So therefore, the bourgeoisie could be the last man standing!!

So let's “hope” that ""politik ravet" e egoyist sa sispan paske li pap nan avantaj peson e li pap nan avantaj peyi a sitou.
Se sak fe ke nouvo govenman sa kap vinin an gen konn dewa de siveye adwat a goch moun sa yo kap preche "politik ravet" sa yo.
Pouli idantifye yo e pran sanksyon kont moun sa yo kelke swa klas ke moun nan fe pati.
Paske nou konnin anpil moun ki gen vant plin fulltank kap plin tet malere avek fo ideoloji olye ke yo fe mwayin pou ranpli vant pep la, e fe peyi a avanse de lavan.

An nou veye yo e rele chwal bare deye yo!!

Gen ase la pou:
tout moun jwen!! :D :D :D
tout moun jwen!! :D :D :D
tout moun jwen!! :P :P :P
Selman pa pran plis ke ou bezwen!! :D :D :D :D :D

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:18 am

[quote]...So let's “hope” that ""politik ravet" e egoyist sa sispan paske li pap nan avantaj peson e li pap nan avantaj peyi a sitou.[/quote]
Se vre ke li pa nan avantaj peyi a, men pou l sispann se pa swete sèlman pou nou swete. Se pou nou komanse rekonèt ke tout moun sa yo ki pa fè mwayèn yo nan eleksyon sa a, YO GEN VALè SENPMAN KòM SITWAYEN. Pèp la pa rekonèt yo kòm lidè politik, se sak fè li pa bay lide yo valè nan bilten an.

Bay moun sa yo onè kòm sitwayen peyi a, men pa ba yo valè kòm lidè politik. Nan ka sa a, lè yo retounen ak yon manje rechofe tankou pwogram pati yo oubyen kontra sosyal, pa okipe yo e pa repete apre yo.

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:23 pm

Gelin ekri: [quote]Se pou nou komanse rekonèt ke tout moun sa yo ki pa fè mwayèn yo nan eleksyon sa a, YO GEN VALè SENPMAN KòM SITWAYEN. Pèp la pa rekonèt yo kòm lidè politik, Bay moun sa yo onè kòm sitwayen peyi a, men pa ba yo valè kòm lidè politik. [/quote]

Gelin, le mwen te lekol kay fre FIC, mwen te gen 2 kamarad de klas les « freres Perodin” ki te toujou ap premye nan klas la.

Mwayem mesye sa yo sete 9.75 e deziem nan fre a se 9.50.
Tout rest klas la I konpri neg ki denye a nan zone 5.25 e 5.10.

Fre Andre ki te profese klas la mande anraje !! Li di mesye deki prevyen ??
Nou pa genyen intansyon ratrape « les freres Perodin »?
Nou tout repond fre Andre de ki prevyen kisa boss papa ?
Ratrape mesye sa yo pa interese nou.
Se mwayem 5 tout moun bezwen fe pou nou pase nan prochen klas la.
Ki donk ki pwoblem ou fre ?
Fre Andre tonbe pale anpil e fe kol
e. Nou pa okipe misye.

A la fin, misye jwen ou mwayin pou motive nou e pou fe nou travay pi plis.
Li di ke si nou fe plis efo lap ban nou imaj, zetwal sou kane nou, lap ba nou siret, manje sinistre etc. Le weekend, map ka cheke liv tintin e milou, rodeo, tout L'Univers, san limit pou nou pote lakay nou.
Depi le sa neg komanse etidye san pran souf jiskaske nou ratrape mesye Perodin yo e gen nan nou ki mem pase devan yo.

Kidonk Gelin, tout lide nou yo ki te ale nan eleksyon an e ki te fini nan group 0.% yo, nou bezwen motive mesye sa yo.
Bayo anpil fomasyon politik e sipo pou ke nan 5 ane kap vini an, mesye sa yo reparet anko tou limin e fe bel figui pou premye a pa fe ou mwayem 51.8% e dezyem nan 12% Fok nou fe efo pou nou diminuye gap sa!!!

Gelin ekri: [quote]Nan ka sa a, lè yo retounen ak yon manje rechofe tankou pwogram pati yo oubyen kontra sosyal, pa okipe yo e pa repete apre yo.[/quote]

Mon che Gelin, pafwa, le je
fos a koupe!! Pafwa sikonstans fe nou oblije manje ou manje rechofe e manje sa paret bon nan bouch nou. Pafwa, nou pa gen le chwa ke paret avek ou manje rechofe.

Se nan ka sa ke nou ye kounyen la !! If you know what I means. :wink:

Kenbe la mon fre!!

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:56 am

[quote]...Kidonk Gelin, tout lide nou yo ki te ale nan eleksyon an e ki te fini nan group 0.% yo, <u>nou bezwen motive mesye sa yo.</u>...[/quote]
Non monchè Michel, nou pa bezwen motive yo. Si yo kapab, se pou yo resevwa motivasyon dirèkteman nan men pèp ki tal vote a. Ki motivasyon pèp la ba yo? Eske yo ka aprann nan men pèp la? Eske yap dakò fè efò? Eske yap dakò chita tande?

gelin

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