Immigration: Route to Legal Status

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Immigration: Route to Legal Status

Post by Michel Nau » Thu May 17, 2007 2:54 pm

Proposal, to Be Debated Next Week, Would Offer Route to Legal Status
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 17, 2007; 2:42 PM
A bipartisan group of senators reached a delicate compromise today on what could be the biggest overhaul of immigration law in more than 40 years. The measure, which has the backing of the Bush administration, offers the nation's 12 million undocumented workers a route to legal status.
Senators hope to bring the bill to the floor for debate and a vote next week before they leave for the Memorial Day holiday.
Ten senators involved in the negotiations, as well as administration officials who were part of the talks, announced the deal at a press conference this afternoon.
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) predicted that the bill would get overwhelming support on the Senate floor. "This is the last best chance to pass immigration reform . . . ," he said. "If this collapses, it would be years before you could recreate this."

Under the deal, undocumented workers who crossed into the country before Jan. 1 would be offered a temporary-residency permit while they await a new "Z Visa" that would allow them to live and work lawfully here.
The head of an illegal-immigrant household would have eight years to return to his or her home country to apply for permanent legal residence for members of the household, but each Z visa itself would be renewable indefinitely, as long as the holder passes a criminal background check, remains fully employed and pays a $5,000 fine, plus a paperwork-processing fee.
A separate, temporary-worker program would be established for 400,000 migrants a year. Each temporary work visa would be good for two years and could be renewed up to three times, as long as the worker leaves the country for a year between renewals.
To satisfy Republicans, those provisions would come in force only after the federal government implements tough new border controls and a crackdown on employers that hire illegal immigrants. Republicans are demanding 18,000 new Border Patrol agents, 370 miles of additional border fencing and an effective, electronic employee-verification system for the workplace.

"This is not the architecture of an immigration bill that I would have initially liked to see," conceded Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (Mass.), the Democrats' chief negotiator yesterday when news of a tentative deal became known, "but we're not dealing with that. This is a legislative process."
The agreement would effectively bring an immigration overhaul to the Senate floor next week, but its passage is far from assured. The framework has the support of the White House and the chief negotiators, Kennedy and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). But immigration rights groups and some key Senate Democrats remain leery, especially of changing a preference system that has favored family members for more than 40 years.
"When they say, 'We're all in agreement, we have a deal,' certainly I don't feel that way," said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.).
Since 1965, migrants have needed a sponsor in the United States, meaning that virtually all immigrants have had family members or employers already here.
The new proposal would augment that system with a merit-based program that would award points based on education levels, work experience and English proficiency, as well as family ties.

Automatic family unifications would remain but would be limited to spouses and children under 21.
The adult children and siblings of U.S. residents would probably need other credentials, such as skills and education, to qualify for an immigrant visa.
A number of unskilled parents would be allowed in, but that flow would be capped.
To Republicans, the new system would make the nation more economically competitive while opening access to a wider array of migrants.
"I think you'll find the point system to be pretty well balanced," said Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.).
But to immigration groups, the proposal is a radical break from existing U.S. law, and without changes, they could withhold their support from the final bill.
"We want to see an immigration reform debate on the Senate floor. We want to see this move forward. But we are wildly uncomfortable with a lot of what we're hearing," said Cecilia Muñoz, chief lobbyist for the National Council of La Raza.
The other hurdle will come from the temporary-worker program.
The immigration bill that passed the Senate last year with bipartisan support would have allowed laborers entering the country as temporary workers to stay and work toward citizenship.
But Republicans said this year that they could support such a program only if the workers would be truly temporary.
Immigration groups say such a program would only spur a new wave of illegal migration, as temporary workers go underground once their work permits expire.
Perhaps more importantly, two powerful service unions -- the Service Employees International Union and Unite Here -- have threatened to pull their support from any immigration bill that would not give temporary workers a way to remain in the country, fearing that a truly temporary program would drive down wages for low-skill work.

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The Z Visa, Good or Bad? You decide!

Post by Michel Nau » Thu May 17, 2007 5:13 pm

[quote]Under the deal, undocumented workers who crossed into the country before Jan. 1 would be offered a temporary-residency permit while they await a new "Z Visa" that would allow them to live and work lawfully here.[/quote] This new immigration law (Z visa) could be applying to our brothers and sisters who arrived before January 1, 2007. However, they could be short in getting additional points.
[quote]The new proposal would augment that system with a merit-based program that would award points based on:
a) Education levels,
b) Work experience and
c) English proficiency,
d) As well as family ties.[/quote] This new law goal seems at the same time could increase the skilled and educated workers base in the U.S., and is more likely an invitation to a “brain drain”, a bleed dry of valuable citizens from the rest of the world to come to America.

The Z Visa, good or bad, you decide.

Michel

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Deal Is Reached in Senate on Immigration

Post by Guysanto » Thu May 17, 2007 6:22 pm

Here's another informative article. But please keep in mind that the final bill, after debate in the full Senate and reconciliation with whatever comes out of the House may be quite different from this. The best that can be said right now is that it seems increasingly likely that, unlike last year, a major immigration reform bill will be passed this year by Congress and signed into law by President Bush. However, the debate over modifications to the bill is going to be heavy, furious, and at times even treacherous. Better keep an eye on this one!

Guy


[quote]
Deal Is Reached in Senate on Immigration
By Robert Pear and David Stout
The New York Times

Thursday 17 May 2007

Washington - Senators from both parties announced an agreement this afternoon on immigration-reform legislation that would bring illegal immigrants and their families "out of the shadows and into the sunshine of American life," as Senator Edward M. Kennedy put it.

The bill would provide an opportunity "right away" for millions of illegal aliens to correct their status, said Mr. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts. It would emphasize family ties as well as employment skills in weighing how soon immigrants could become legal residents, he said.

But it would also emphasize improved border security and would call for "very strong sanctions" against employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, according to Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania.

Both senators acknowledged that the proposed bill, which was immediately praised by President Bush, is likely to come under fire both from the political right and the political left - decried either as "amnesty" or as "not humanitarian enough," as Mr. Specter said.

To become legislation, the proposed bill would have to be approved by the House, which has had serious differences with the Senate on the issue. The House has tended to emphasize border security more than ways to allow immigrants to become citizens, and any mention of "amnesty" for illegal aliens has been anathema in the House.

Still, Mr. Kennedy said that the bill, however imperfect, was the best chance in years to secure America's borders, help millions of people who have been living in fear and help to eliminate a sad and sordid "underground economy" in American life.

"Now it's time for action," Mr. Kennedy said. "I've been around here long enough to know that opportunities like this don't come very often." (The senator has been in office 45 years.)

The legislation, as explained by the senators, is "comprehensive" enough to require 380 pages, Mr. Specter noted. He said that illegal aliens would have to earn their right to be on the path to citizenship and would have to go to "the end of the line," bureaucratically speaking.

The bill is also likely to be revised as it comes up for debate in the full Senate, as Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader, noted today. Mr. Reid praised the work of the Senate negotiators and said their agreement "can serve as a starting point" for a Senate debate next week.

"We need to improve the bill as it moves through the legislative process," Mr. Reid said.

President Bush praised the senators' agreement as a prelude to "an immigration system that is secure, productive, orderly and fair."

The senators said the system they envision would give weight to immigrants' education and to job skills deemed helpful to the economy in deciding whom to admit, using a point system to evaluate those qualifications. Family ties would remain an important factor.

The point system is one element of a comprehensive bill that calls for the biggest changes in immigration law and policy in more than 20 years. The full Senate plans to take up the legislation next week.

Although Democrats now control the Senate, the bill incorporates many ideas advanced in some form by President Bush. A draft of the legislation says that Congress intends to "increase American competitiveness through a merit-based evaluation system for immigrants."

Moreover, it says, Congress will "reduce chain migration" by limiting the number of visas issued exclusively on account of kinship.

Democrats insisted, and Republicans agreed, that some points be awarded to people who had close relatives in the United States or could perform low-skill jobs for which there was a high demand.

Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who has been one of the more optimistic negotiators, said on Wednesday that the legislation "would free up thousands of green cards in the future for people who meet our economic needs, while still allowing members of the nuclear family to come to this country."

Stephen W. Yale-Loehr, who teaches immigration law at Cornell University, said: "The legislation taking shape in the Senate represents a major philosophical shift. It tells the world that we are emphasizing characteristics that will enhance our global competitiveness, like education and job skills. We would not rely as much on family background as we have in the past."

Under the proposal, Mr. Yale-Loehr said, "foreign-born spouses and minor children of United States citizens could still get green cards, but foreign-born siblings and adult children of citizens would be hurt."

Most of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants now in the United States would be offered legal status under the bill, but they would not automatically qualify for citizenship. Rather, they would have to "touch back" in their home countries and apply for green cards, like other immigrants seeking permanent residence in the United States.

Some conservatives still dislike the idea of a large legalization program. But Mr. Graham said the bill struck a realistic balance.

"We are not going to put 12 million people in jail," Mr. Graham said. "Nor should we give them an advantage over those who played by the rules to become citizens."

Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said he had doubts about this approach, but said Congress had to do something because his constituents were telling him that "they feel they are being overrun with uncontrolled immigration."

The legislation also calls for major increases in the Border Patrol and tougher enforcement at the border and in the workplace.

Senator Ken Salazar, Democrat of Colorado, one of the negotiators, said he wanted the new point system to be equitable. "We do not want to create a system that is just for the wealthiest and most educated immigrants," Mr. Salazar said. [/quote]

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Post by Michel Nau » Fri May 18, 2007 12:29 pm

Guy wrote: [quote]it seems increasingly likely that, unlike last year, a major immigration reform bill will be passed this year by Congress and signed into law by President Bush.[/quote] Indeed Guy, this is a bill reached by both parties, republicans and democrats that would bring illegal immigrants and their families "out of the shadows and into the sunshine of American life," as Senator Edward M. Kennedy put it.

Our brother Haitians who are here before January 1, could step forward without fear, register with Homeland Security for a Z visa, pay $5,000.00 penalty, find an employer for a job, pay taxes, enroll to a community college to learn English and new job skills, and above all stay out of trouble with the law.
After 8 years in the system, they could go back home, apply and wait for a green card.

This system is not perfect, and still has room for improvement.
The Democrats like it because the majority of these immigrants are futures democrat voters.
The Republicans like it because these immigrants will still be considered as cheap labor, at least for 8 years..

We Haitians from the Diaspora like it or not need to welcome and embrace the new comers and show them some love, and a sense of belonging to the community.

Mwen ta swete ke anpil nan nou bay opinyon nou sou zafe nouvo lwa immigrasyon sa.
Byen ke anpil nan nou e fanmi nou pa gen problem imigrasyon, min sak kap vini nan bato yo (boat people) beswen anpil ed e fok nou pare pou ede yo:

Ranpli fom imigrasyon pou Z visa a.
Montre yo kijan pou yo jwen job e paye tax nan peyi isit.
Bayo konsey pou yo al lekol pou aprand li e ekri angle.
Pou yo pa gen problem avek la polis.
E fe yo peye amand $5,000.00 sa.
Konsa, le 8 an finn pase byen vit, ya antre nan peyi d'Ayiti e rete tand green kat yo.

Michel

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Post by Guysanto » Sat May 19, 2007 7:45 am

[quote]Ranpli fom imigrasyon pou Z visa a.
Montre yo kijan pou yo jwen job e paye tax nan peyi isit.
Bayo konsey pou yo al lekol pou aprand li e ekri angle.
Pou yo pa gen problem avek la polis.
E fe yo peye amand $5,000.00 sa.
Konsa, le 8 an finn pase byen vit, ya antre nan peyi d'Ayiti e rete tand green kat yo. [/quote]
Michel, there is some reason for optimism that the impasse on comprehensive immigration reform may be broken this year. However, with what you prescribe here, it does sound that you are counting your chickens before they hatch. I am much more in favor of a careful analysis to help in educating our community about what is being debated in congressional committees, in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, and in the reconciliation process of the two.

Why? Zizi nou bat vit, kè nou twò cho, epi pi devan nou va pran kaka je pou linèt.

Ki "Visa Z" w'ap pale la? Escann li pou mwen souple, voye foto li ban mwen, epi m'a poste li sou Fenèt la. Sanble ou konn ranpli "Visa Z" a deja. Kidonk ban nou limyè sou sa.

Ki kote pou m di moun yo voye $5,000 lajan kontan nan jounen jodi a? Sanble deja gen ajns k'ap aksepte "amand" sa yo, tankou ofis "Rapid Tax Return" yo ki opere depi anvan fèt Nwèl.

Mwen ta pito envite Ayisyen rele Depite ak Senatè yo epi di yo ke yo pa dakò peye $5,000 sa, sitou si lajan sa pral detounen pou finanse lagè nan peyi Irak la. De tout fason, pou ki kouri louvri fyèl nou konsa?

Depi ki lè 8 ane kouri pase byen vit lò w'ap viv nan yon kondisyon kote ou pa moun tankou tout moun?

Michel, se pa ke mwen pa dakò avèk ou non, lò w'ap pale de responsabilite nou gen pou youn ede lòt. Men se yon deba k'ap mennen, kote nou fèt pou fè jefò ( se pa lapriyè ajenou de je fèmen sèlman epi rele "bondye mèsi, lamizè fini pou tout moun blan yo rele ilegal nan peyi isit" ). Non Michel, nou nan menm kan nan zafè refòm imigrasyon ki pou fèt la, men fè yon ti poze monfrè.

Sispann konte ti poul, ede yo byen kale pito.

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Post by Guysanto » Mon May 21, 2007 6:03 am

Deba a sipoze kòmanse semèn sa nan Sena Etazini sou refòm lwa imigrasyon nan peyi isit. M espere tout moun ki vin sou Ann Pale va suiv deba a e kapab pote dizon yo sou jan l'ap dewoule.

Mwen panse gen gwo danje pou ayisyen nan bagay sa, paske depi yon moun di "imigrasyon", anpil Ayisyen panse se AMNESTY yo pral bay, tankou "la manne tombée des cieux". Anviwonman politik nan peyi a pa pèmèt sa ditou. Bagay la pral koryas tout bon. Lò Kongrè a fin rekonsilye tout pwendvi yo (e nan pwen garanti tout bon sa pral rive) e ke yo vote an majorite nan tou 2 chanm yo sou yon nouvo lwa imigrasyon, y'ap voye sa bay Bush pou li kab siyen li. Bush tou vle fè sa, paske li pa ta renmen moun asosye non li ak dezas kapital politik li nan Iraq. Men sepandan, fè atansyon, gen pwen ki pral favorize ayisyen ki san papye nan peyi isit, men gen pwen ki pral alankont yo tou. Fòk nou pa kouri danse tanbou anvan nou wè kanè.

M'espere tout oganizasyon responsab ayisyen nan Etazini a fè presyon sou Kongrè pou yo pa adopte mezi ki pral two sevè pou Ayisyen ak tout lòt imigran yo tou. Se la nou va wè si "L'UNION FAIT LA FORCE" vle di yon bagay tout bon pou Ayisyen, oswa se bèl pawòl mete la.

Mwen ta renmen wè manm ANN PALE yo reveye pou infwa, paske depi ane a kòmanse y'ap kabicha. Gason tankou fi. Moun kab travay tankou sa ki pran retrèt yo. Se konsi ou ta di, si pa gen koudeta k'ap fèt an Ayiti, pyèsmoun pa enterese ankò.

Men gen plis ke 1 milyon ayisyen ozetazini. Mwen gen enpresyon ke majorite nan yo kapab pa genyen papye ki valab ou byen rezidans legal nan peyi isit. Sa se yon gwo pwoblèm tou. E mwen panse sa touche fanmi nou, zanmi nou, biznis nou, vi espirityèl nou, elatriye. Menm si ou LEGAL, sa pa vle di ou pa gen enterè nan sa kab diskite a. L'ap touche kalite vi ou mennen nan yon fason oswa nan yon lòt.

Si nou dakò, fè m tande vwa nou.

Mèsi,
Guy

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Post by Leoneljb » Mon May 21, 2007 8:13 am

Mwen panse pou yo legalize tout moun ki nan etazini. Paske, li lE li tan, pou moun yo ka fil income tax. Gen lontan oun pakEt ap peye tax san Youn return. Paske oun bann gen fo sosial pou yo te kademele yo.

Mwen panse ke Etazini ap benefisye de paket moun sa yo si li bayo green kat.

Epi, byen ke mwen pa dakO ak 5000 dolla'a. Men si yo ta pase bil la konsa. Nou menm imigran ki legal fOk nou ta met tEt ansanm pou nou ede tout moun ki pa ta kapab peye...

Mwen panse ankO ke moun ki kont pwogram sa'a trE rasis. Paske, yo plis fokis sou ispanik ak lOt imigran yo ki pa pale angle.

For instance, THEY (the Racists) suggest to everyone ilegal to go back to their Countries and apply there. On top of it, They (immigrants) need to be fluent in English!!!

You know Who they mean? They (R) only want the Europeans to benefit the most. For, they speak English and it is easier to get a visa in Europe than Haiti, Mexico etc...

Furthermore, this "applying for visas and be fluent in English" is supported by the KKK and Neo-Nazis.

Leonel

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Apre ke yap finn pase 8 ane o Zeta Zini, yap pare pou dirije peyi lakay yo

Post by Michel Nau » Mon May 21, 2007 10:25 am

Guy di: [quote]Bush tou vle fè sa, paske li pa ta renmen moun asosye non li ak dezas kapital politik li nan Iraq. [/quote]
Guy di anko: [quote]Mwen ta pito envite Ayisyen rele Depite ak Senatè yo epi di yo ke yo pa dakò peye $5,000 sa, sitou si lajan sa pral detounen pou finanse lagè nan peyi Irak la. De tout fason, pou ki kouri louvri fyèl nou konsa? [/quote]
Leonel di tou: [quote]Epi, byen ke mwen pa dakO ak 5000 dolla'a. Men si yo ta pase bil la konsa. Nou menm imigran ki legal fOk nou ta met tEt ansanm pou nou ede tout moun ki pa ta kapab peye...[/quote]
Guy mwen remake ke w pa fonti di 2 mo pou pa foure Irak ak Bush ladan yo. Preske tout komante ke w fe menm si li gen rapo ak Haiti selman, fok w foure blan ladand kom si ke Ayisyen e lot pep yo pa granmoun tet yo.
Pou nou rete sou sije a ki se imigrasyon legal pou tout moun, Leonel, Guy e lot kamarad yo, zafe $5.000.00 se yon amand ke li ye ke ilegal yo kap peye panda yon period de 8 zane. Yo pap bezwen bay lajan sa yon gren kou. Yo kap bay li ti gout pa ti gout.
Leonel di: [quote]Mwen panse ankO ke moun ki kont pwogram sa'a trE rasis. Paske, yo plis fokis sou ispanik ak lOt imigran yo ki pa pale angle.[/quote] Leonel, si bill sa pase, Ayisyen kap fe dekabess.
Mwen remake ke Ayisyen aprand angle pli vit ke tout lot ras.
Ayisyen an kap fe angle a tounin yon cabon copy de angle a san grate tet.

Guy voye yon apel bay manm yo le li di ke : [quote]Mwen ta renmen wè manm ANN PALE yo reveye pou infwa, paske depi ane a kòmanse y'ap kabicha. Gason tankou fi. Moun kab travay tankou sa ki pran retrèt yo. Se konsi ou ta di, si pa gen koudeta k'ap fèt an Ayiti, pyèsmoun pa enterese ankò. Menm si ou LEGAL, sa pa vle di ou pa gen enterè nan sa kab diskite a. L'ap touche kalite vi ou mennen nan yon fason oswa nan yon lòt.[/quote] Guy map repete anko e mwen we pa gen moun ki kouri demanti'm jan yo konn fe nan politik.
Opinyon pa mwen, sak fe ke Ayisyen nan Diaspora yo pa interese nan boat people yo, se paske se paysan ke y oye. Yo soti direkteman nan provins sa fe transit nan Porto Prince. Kidonk, fre ak se sa yo, se demifre ak demise long distan ke yo ye. Yo se pitit deyo.
Mwen rankontre yon boat people ki rantre e ki ap viv o Zeta Zini depi 25 zane ki di ke:" Li kont moun sa yo kap vini nan bato yo konyen la".

Mwen repond li ke pouki sa?? W menm tou w se yon boat people!

Li repond mwen ke :"Se poutet politik ke li te rantre nan peyi isit, moun sa yo kap vini konyen la se poutet grangou e mize ke yap kouri vin n isit. Yap vini deranje nou sosyalman e ekonomikman".
Gen yon Ayisyen profesyonel kap viv Kanada ki fe yon komante tou e ki di ke:
"Mwen byen kontan ke Ayiti pa pre Kanada, paske moun sa yo ta anvayi nou deja”.

Kidonk Guy, si yon ayisyen Kanada e yon ansyen boat people kap fe yon komante konsa seke tout lot moun ki sou forum petet panse menm jan tou.

Mwen voye yon bokit dlo glase sou yo e mwen ta swete ke yo releve tyalanj la.
Si Bill sa pase, ayisyen e lot pep ilegal pap bezwen nan kashe anko.
Yo te met pote fyel yo je kale devan imigrasyon e ranpli fom pou yon Z visa biocard kap pemet yo travay pandan 8 an nan peyi isit.
Sa ke govenman amerikin an mande se ke moun sa yo pou yo peye tax menm jan ak tout moun isit.
Edike tet yo profesyonelman, e mete bon angle anba bouch yo.
Aprand e respekte la lwa nan peyi isit.
E retounin lakay yo pou yo al aplike pou yon green kat.

Opinión pa mwen se ke blan panse ke apre 8 ane travay di.
Peye tax e ranpli devwa sivik e respe pou la lwa nan peyi isit e pale bon angle.
Se posib ke imigran sa yo kap deside rete lakay yo e kolabore avek pep amerikin pou li mete lod nan dezod lakay yo.

Moun sa yo kap vini fiti dirijan lakay yo.

Se konsa ke mwen we'l.

Guy mande plis explikasyon sou zafe Z visa.
Z visa sa Guy se yon biocard kap gen foto e anprint yon moun e lot infomasyon sekre ladan kap pemet govenman antre ejwen yon moun kelkeswa kote ke moun nan ye.
They can run, but they can not hide!!
Welcome to the bioworld of immigration.

Michel

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